Sometimes I am ashamed

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Blondiescot

Being pedantic here, but we don't have barristers in Scotland, we have advocates.

And do these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?
I don’t mind a bit of pedantry so long as it doesn’t support misogyny. Who

It matters not what their job title is.
They presumably do the same job.

Similar, yes, although they undergo different training process here in Scotland.

According to the Scottish News tonight, the rapist will now be going to a male prison. I only got the tail end of it, so don't know the details.

Ok, different training, similar job.
But the important part of the question was whether these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?

I heard that item and it included Nicola Sturgeon saying that the person will not be held in Cornton Vale.
She did not specify, however, whether he would be housed with females elsewhere, or genuinely in a male prison with other males.

Someone on this thread commented that he would have an unpleasant time if housed with other males.
It's up to the Prison Service to prevent that without forcing him, or any other males, onto women prisoners.

He is going to Saughton which is a male prison.

Mollygo

Ok, different training, similar job.
But the important part of the question was whether ^these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?^

Their focus is on their client, not the victims so they will try to do their very best for their client within the law.

Thank you Callistemon21.
So as long as the law allows a rapist (male) to be incarcerated with females, an advocate would advocate that.

I presume so, Mollygo because their client has told them that they are a woman.
Whether or not the barrister/advocate truly believes that is irrelevant.

Parsley3

He is going to Saughton which is a male prison.

Wonder what the inmates there will make of this guy?

Asked directly by [Douglas] Ross if it was safe for female prisoners to be in the same facility as a double rapist, [Nicola] Sturgeon responded: “Firstly, in general, any prisoner who poses a risk of sexual offending is segregated from other prisoners, including during any period of risk assessment.

“Secondly, there is no automatic right for a trans woman convicted of a crime to serve their sentence in a female prison, even if they have a gender recognition certificate. Every case is subjected to rigorous individual risk assessment and as part of that the safety of other prisoners is paramount.

“Finally, in general terms and perhaps most importantly, I heard the chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland say yesterday: ‘I don’t see how it’s possible to have a rapist within a female prison.’ And so let me be very clear, I agree with that statement.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/26/trans-woman-isla-bryson-found-guilty-rape-not-be-held-in-womens-prison-sturgeon

So it's taken public outrage plus pressure from MSPs, to get a rapist moved out of a women's prison.
We can be sure that that was not the original intention as it would have been stated right away, as soon as concerns were raised, if so.

There should be no rapists in women's prisons because there should be no male prisoners in women's prisons.
Men who say they are transwomen are male.

Here is Rhona Hotchkiss, retired prison governor, on World at One on Thursday.

From 17.40 to 23.45
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hfqz?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Btw, here's a pic of Isla Bryson / Adam Graham.

But he’s quite girly really don’t you think?

Indeed. That's quite a girly bulge he's got there.

given what his ex wife has told the daily mail, it sounds like the police and CPS need to look at whether he needs to convicted on a GBH/ABH charge too

Why on earth did they not prosecute him for stabbing her? It can hardly be described as a domestic incident

Are people seriously suggesting that because a man does not look 'girly' in his pre-transition life, that his transition cannot be genuine?

The above is NOT a comment on this specific case, but the overall concept that only 'girly' men transition. How you look is an accident of nature, not of gender.

Sorry my view is that a transwomen will always be a trans and therefore not have access to women only spaces.

By all means have mixed changing rooms/spaces for those who want them which would accommodate trans folk and leave women our own spaces.

This applies to transmen also, some might not feel comfortable in male changing rooms/spaces, a mixed space option could be the solution.

No. I think the genuine trans, regardless of how they look as a man, want to fit in with their new ‘authentic self’.
Even this rapist has donned a wig and had pictures taken which don’t show his tat.

Sorry, that was to M0nica.

No I am suggesting that you cant change sex. All transwomen are Male. How they look is irrelevant.

I do wish people in the media wouldn't keep confusing gender with sex.

Skeletons will always be either male or female, specifically the pelvis, whatever other surgery has been performed.

Women are not just men with their penis removed, that is such a regressive view. It's like something from the Victorian time.

Galaxy

No I am suggesting that you cant change sex. All transwomen are Male. How they look is irrelevant.

This!

Although there are I think issues about someone obviously displaying their penis, I view it in a very similar way to flashing, and the links between flashing and violent crime seem to be quite clear.

Galaxy

Although there are I think issues about someone obviously displaying their penis, I view it in a very similar way to flashing, and the links between flashing and violent crime seem to be quite clear.

Absolutely is a power trip for misogynists.

GrannyGravy13

Sorry my view is that a transwomen will always be a trans and therefore not have access to women only spaces.

By all means have mixed changing rooms/spaces for those who want them which would accommodate trans folk and leave women our own spaces.

This applies to transmen also, some might not feel comfortable in male changing rooms/spaces, a mixed space option could be the solution.

Yes