Sometimes I am ashamed

VioletSky

Your comment has no relation to mine either doodledog

I've been told many times on gransnet that people have no problem with trans people being part of our communities as long as they arent in womens safe spaces or in womens sports...

Are you saying GC feminists and Terfs who want trans people to be denied gender dysphoria treatment, have conversion thetapy and be denied anything that at all that confirms a different gender... are the same?

No.

I am asking about which human rights you think are being denied (or that you think people wish to deny) to transpeople?

And also what is authentic about saying you are one sex when you are the other?

It is apparently the case that most people of average intelligence can work out what someone is saying, even if all the vowels are missing. The research was done at Cambridge some time ago, I believe.

I wndr hw y hve mngd to msndrstnd a smpl typ?

I know she meant terf, but serf made me smile. 😆

Also my tone is not "sneering" and I don't think it is at all right to assign a tone to my comment that isn't there.

I'm not a very sneery person

But no one here is a terf right? No one here wants to exclude trans people from having basic human rights? No one here is denying trans people the right to be their authentic selves.
That’s right, but do explain trans ‘authentic self’ and how that differs from any other person’s authentic self.

I think doodle meant terf. It was on the charming signs. Die terf that's the most common one I have heard.
When you were talking about the threats of a car being driven into a protest, did you mean the man who has also threatened JK Rowling and Rosie duffield, I think he has been identified via social media.

Your comment has no relation to mine either doodledog

I've been told many times on gransnet that people have no problem with trans people being part of our communities as long as they arent in womens safe spaces or in womens sports...

Are you saying GC feminists and Terfs who want trans people to be denied gender dysphoria treatment, have conversion thetapy and be denied anything that at all that confirms a different gender... are the same?

You dislike my posting style volver - that's fine.

I dislike posts which manipulate language to misrepresent people's motives and mislead others into thinking something is the case when it's not.

I don't think anyone called anyone else a serf.

Maybe I missed that bit.

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You dislike my posting style volver - that's fine.
Have you any comment about an MSP, who I'd guess is not untypical, who clearly states that he simply voted as he was told?

I know many women who wrote to MSPs and got no reply at all from many of them, not even a standard reply of any kind.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that those MSPs simply waited to be told how to vote and gave the matter no other thought.

As I said Granny23 was mistaken in thinking it was a free vote for all MSPs.

I don't like the abject hate this will cause to innocent trans people and the abuse it puts them at risk for

That's what will happen if these vile misogynists are not stopped, unfortunately.
Unintended consequences.

FarNorth

VS only men can be transwomen. That is a biological fact and it's not vile to say so.

We are repeatedly told that gender identity and sex are different things, but then that gender identity should be taken as if it is sex at all times.

If people could be honest about which sex they are, while presenting however they want, there'd be no objection from me or from most other GC people.

This has no relation to my comment but ok

It's pathetic

What is, exactly?

VS only men can be transwomen. That is a biological fact and it's not vile to say so.

We are repeatedly told that gender identity and sex are different things, but then that gender identity should be taken as if it is sex at all times.

If people could be honest about which sex they are, while presenting however they want, there'd be no objection from me or from most other GC people.

Vile misogyny. Threats to decapitate and eat women.
Just so people are reminded about what we are talking about.
Yep it's as creepy as it sounds.

FarNorth

Granny23 said
The whole issue has become politicised (eg describing a free vote in the SG, which saw cross party support and dissent as only the SNP's 'Bill')

It wasn't a free vote. All MSPs were whipped except the Tories.
Here is David Torrance MSP saying clearly that he was just following orders.
He gave it no thought at all.

Whereas you clearly gave some thought to using words he didn't use, in order to suggest parallels with extremist groups of the past.

It's pathetic.

volver

Should we have an age limit, do you think, for making offensive jokes about terrorist organisations?

Was that to me?

Er, no. I think.

One person's offensive joke is another's iconoclastic witticism, as has been discussed on here many times, but I don't know what age has to do with it.

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Granny23 said
The whole issue has become politicised (eg describing a free vote in the SG, which saw cross party support and dissent as only the SNP's 'Bill')

It wasn't a free vote. All MSPs were whipped except the Tories.
Here is David Torrance MSP saying clearly that he was just following orders.
He gave it no thought at all.

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I'm fizzing about that pathetic person with the placard, just as I was at the moron who posted on Twitter that someone should drive their car into the counter demonstration.

Just to clarify for you volver there was no 'counter-demonstration'. There almost never is for trans events.
The car threat was about a Posie Parker event to be held in Glasgow in February.

Transactivists seem to think that completely over-the-top aggression is de rigeur for those events (see pics).

Also, see pic of the decapitate sign being publicised by a pub which held a sign-making session.
So the sign was seen by more than the maker of it and, apparently, all thought it was fine.

There is no need to be ashamed of your country of birth Maw. Most of us are not like those aggressive types, and are also not like the apparently clueless politicians who didn't spot what was written on the signs.

volver

And your point Mollygo?

Just to be objectionable?

No, just pointing out some of the other things you can do at 16, as others have.
I wasn’t being objectionable.
I didn’t think you were, but who knows?

MacCavity2

You are ashamed MAW but I’m frightened for my young granddaughter and all young girls. We are going backwards to putting women in a closed society. Don’t these women with men’s tackle realise what they are doing to us.

They are not women with men's tackle and until you stop aiding and abetting these men in their delusions and vicious cancelling womenkind how will it ever be stopped? Men have tackle. Men.

Should we have an age limit, do you think, for making offensive jokes about terrorist organisations?

I'm never sure of the point of dredging up all the things that people can do at a given age, to suggest that they should be allowed to do other things.

Yes, you can marry and do other things, but what have any of them got to do with transitioning? It's false equivalence and makes no logical sense. At 12 you can buy fish and chips, but not see a 15 certificate film. So what? Does that mean that the age for buying fish and chips should be raised, or that 12 year olds should be able to see films with a 15 certificate? Or neither? Or both?