Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Let's be clear

I don't expect anyone to denounce the comments I was referring too but I respected the two I mentioned earlier for standing up and doing so, it's sometimes not easy or possible to stand up in many situations

But I take offence to being told that the comments I mentioned didn't happen. And that is objectively, wrong, especially when I quoted 2 and th rest are right there

No need to take it personally of someone hasn't said someone but to deny the reality is another

There is strength in numbers, I get that but principles should come first

I already agreed with that

But that's not what I was referring too in the first place, it's miles away

Ok. What do you not understand about this:

Not wanting to allow criminals to use loophole created by self-id to access women's spaces is not the same as thinking (much less saying) that transpeople are criminals. They are two separate things.?

I think my comments are being read with a much different tone to the one they are typed in to be honest

I guess I have as much problem understanding you as you do me doodledog

I'm catty sometimes but it's quite rare

I have answered your question, VS, and you then told me that I had taken it back. I didn't. It's like you read one thing and hear another.

I even went back and explained what I had said, but to no avail.

Not wanting to allow criminals to use loophole created by self-id to access women's spaces is not the same as thinking (much less saying) that transpeople are criminals. They are two separate things.

As it stands, the Equalities Act still allows single sex spaces, so I have no idea which rights you think are being taken away from children.

Saying that my words are malleable and twisted, and that I am 'nipped into line' is very disrespectful and is also untrue. I speak my own mind and do not tell lies - I pride myself on that - and I'm not easily 'nipped'.

No you are right, I am not Aveline a voice for trans people

I'm not

More moderate in truth

I try to but whenever I seek clarification you dont give it so it's very difficult.

VioletSky I think you have to accept that not everyone agrees with you. You can't force people to share your opinions and beliefs. It's an open forum. If young people and trans people want to post they can. You are not necessarily their voice.

It's now changing the narrative apparently

But it's rare for any question I ask to actually be thought through and answered

It's now gossip to discuss current NHS guidelines or the Cass report?

If It were me and someone kept coming to my discussions and saying

Here is what this looks like

Here is what you are missing

Here is the potential harmful outcome

I'd be horrified and I'd change it and I'd recognise that there is no justification without accountability and responsibility

Our young people and trans people need a voice here and if you don't give them one while discussing them...

It's basically gossip

Maybe read them again.

No they aren't

Rather nasty posts from Violetsky.

I dont decide my views based on whether sections of society whether young or old are going to like me. If I did that I would have voted Brexit.

Who are you talking to. I have no idea what thread you are on about.

But you leave them out. Every decent trans person trying to live their lives are left out of these threads and are only mentioned as somehow responsible for them

Every young person being bullied right now in school and online for being LGBT or as LGBT when they aren't

You ruined my thread with the concerns about bullying issues and took it over with yours which were opposite opposing subjects

You make every thread about any one issue the exact same spectrum of issues over and over and over because you can't keep them seperate and trans people in general must be discussed with rapists etc and force those of us who see this as wrong to protest that as unfair

Why? Do you enjoy this in some way?

We are supposed to be the generations looked up too, the ones who share wisdom and truth with young people and yet... it's all jibes and point scoring

The young have much to teach us and we either learn it or we are the ones who become a minority group and the target of others disdain

That's the other side, the end result and the legacy you leave.

That's not what is happening though is it VS. As soon as people hear the debate they say hold on men in womens prisons, treatment that isnt evidence based for young people, not so sure about this.

The thing is that I ask you all a lot of questions because I want to gauge where people stand as individuals but I continuously must deal with a pack nipping each other to stay in line and present a united front.

No you are continually nipping at other posters in order to stay to the forefront.

Well
The thing is that I ask you all a lot of questions because I want to gauge where people stand as individuals but I continuously must deal with a pack nipping each other to stay in line and present a united front.

But here is my conclusion

Any idea that GC actually care about the rights and protections of trans people, especially trans young people just isn't bourne out because your opinions are not justifiable

Your words are maliable amd twisted as easily as you twist others

The occasional "we care about trans people" without any reasonable solutions are Trojan Horses. Pretty at first glance but full of sharp sticks on the inside.

People will all realise your straw arguments hold no weight unless using them themselves

I take back what I said earlier, there is no hope for progress here. It is stagnant

Could be you, could be me, it doesn’t matter because as you say VS
We all know the truth (even if you won’t admit it VS.)
I won’t lose any sleep over your problems.

Can you imagine yourselves standing up in an assembly of young people and explaining why you voted to take away a policy designed to protect some of them?

Would you explain why you think that criminals like the one in the OP do repuational damage to all trans people (as evidenced throughout this thread) that they must publically denounce?

Would you explain that you have rejoiced in the loss of mental health and medical services for trans people without any safety net in place first as a win for GC femisism being right?

Would you explain how you believe no young person to have the ability to make decisions about medical treatment nor the parents who raised them so they must wait to transition until their bodies have fully expressed the gender the were assigned at birth which is irreversible?

Would you stand there and tell hundreds of young people they cannot change sex and will always be the gender they were assigned at birth?

Would you announce you will not use their pronouns?

How would you explain to them the points shared on this thread that you agree with is not bullying and harassment?

And if you would do none of the above, what business did you have signing that petition? Especially those who won't justify doing so

Its partly the self ID issue in Scotland that has highlighted this issue, women have been banging on about men in womens prisons for years nobody gave a flying fig.

Is that to me?

I haven’t taken anything back. I do not think that anyone’s perception of transpeople should be affected by criminals, and I am not taking that back.

How many more times or ways can I say it?

Ah

Nevermind

You guys shouldn't say stuff if you are just going to take it back for one reason or another

We all know the truth