Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

You cannot justify your views

It's that simple

Without accountability and responsibility there is no justification

This is your religion, your great omnipotent belief that only harms and never helps but that's OK because presumably there is a utopia at the end where trans people all went poof and stopped existing by force of divine will

*sigh

Views have nothing to do with it, whether you want to call them views or opinions or beliefs or believe yourself an infallible human being getting everything right on a trans debate that doesn't involve listening to actual trans people and their feelings/needs... Unless we count the examples thrown out as an "idea" of "trans" instead of what they really are: examples of the worst humanity has to offer...

This never was any kind of debate or sounding board or discussion

It's just a soap box

And worse? People are listening and acting and signing and taking no responsibility for their own actions apart from rejoicing what they take and offering nothing back

And you think that's fine because "But its my view!"

Really soul destroying

No thanks VS. Do you think I feel the need to justify my beliefs or views to randoms on the internet. I would worry a lot about anyone who felt the need to do that.

Please let me know when your views achieve anything positive for our young people

I cant see it because I hold a different view to you.

Do you consider following NHS guidelines chasing trans people with pitchforks.
I want people who are experiencing gender dysphoria to have evidence based support. So far the support they have received has been based on mantras which have failed them.

I'm not out there with any sort of activism or petition signing or joining any kind of organised group or protest

People say they want inclusively and acceptance for trans people and only engage in active steps that achieve the opposite

Metaphorically chasing trans people back into the closet with pitchforks under the guise of protecting women for the most part

I don't know how you can't see that

Sorry - formatting fail above.

*Again, if people aren't happy for school staff to use preferred pronouns without contacting parents... is it ok to know other information about young people like their sexuality and not tell parents? where is the answer to this.

I gave my answer above. Why would a teacher report on a child's sexuality to their parents? What has it got to do with teachers? Young children won't necessarily understand their feelings, and older ones are entitled to privacy.

Also, you persist in linking trans issues with gay issues, and there is no connection. Gender and sexuality are not linked.

Galaxy

I will trust the Cass report and NHS guidelines rather than randoms on the internet. That's my accountability.
Who were you referring to when you said those who arent solution based thinkers?

Anyone who disagrees.

I think those who ignored the red flags about the tavistock are accountable, I think those who ignored the red flags around the unexplained rise in girls transitioning are accountable, I think those who ignored the concerns about prisons refuges etc are accountable, and on and on. Luckily I did none of those things.

Galaxy

Indeed.
It's up there with human beings arent clown fish.

I will trust the Cass report and NHS guidelines rather than randoms on the internet. That's my accountability.
Who were you referring to when you said those who arent solution based thinkers?

There are no answers there galaxy

You need them in order to act responsibly here, signing petitions like this gives you responsibility for the outcome.

The Cass report highlights issues, what does it solve? Much like these threads.

Again, for those who aren't solution based thinkers or do not feel they should be responsible for finding the solutions

Signing this petition makes you responsible and yet you won't be accountable

I cannot empathise with that

Because there are very serious concerns expressed by the Cass report and are now part of NHS guidelines that social affirmation is not a neutral act.
I actually anticipate that there will be legal action from the detransitioners with regard to this. We dont keep doing something if investigations have shown it is not the best way to approach this.
For me the involvement of parents is a seperate issue, there is not enough evidence that social affirmation isnt doing harm.

Ive answered the thread many times it's not me who took it off topic but now it is.

Yes, get rid of the policy before implementing a new one... written by who by what deadline?

Again, if people aren't happy for school staff to use preferred pronouns without contacting parents... is it ok to know other information about young people like their sexuality and not tell parents? where is the answer to this

Also given that this policy has a main focus on preventing bullying which a lot of LGB and T young people have said is affecting their mental health and their ability to attain good grades or even finish school... why would anyone be happy for there to be no policy in place for any interim?

We have already lost huge amounts of mental heath support for trans young people with no backup plans in place.

Medical intervention is widely denounced on these threads

What exactly do people want in place to support trans youth? Where is that petition?

What does this focus on taking and giving nothing back achieve?

Where is there any space for trans people? Especially in such a huge part of their day at school where their social and emotional development must be protected?

Explain to me how this is in any way inclusive and accepting.

These questions belong in discussion so I'm putting them here but shouldn't it be those willing to sign this petition having those answers first?

If you want to campaign and sign petitions a fundamental understanding of the issue is a requirement or you are acting irresponsibly.

Indeed.
It's up there with human beings arent clown fish.

That's why I asked for a definition, Galaxy. 'Hermaphrodites' aren't like seahorses.

If you mean people with a dsd, they are all Male or female and not some third sex.

Dinahmo
What about hermaphrodites? Which prison would you send them to?
I never quite understand the distractions of “what ifs” but since you’ve asked, if the hermaphrodite had used a penis to rape, then that would identify them as committing a male crime, so where do you think the prisoner should be incarcerated?

Dinahmo

BlueBelle

Sorry Gransgravy my mistake anyway I ll repeat anyone with a penis is not a woman and is firmly a HE

What about hermaphrodites? Which prison would you send them to?

What do you mean by a hermaphrodite?

I think that if a hermaphrodite became a sex offender, something that is probably unlikely, it would be a genuine case for individual circumstances to prevail. That wouldn't be too onerous as apparently true hermaphrodite or ovo-testicular disorder of sexual differentiation (OVO-DSD) is one of the rarest variety of all inter sex anomalies..

In general, I would say that if the victim is a woman and the offender has male gametes he should go to a male prison, but the point is that people can't 'pretend' to be hermaphrodites based on 'feelings'.

BlueBelle

Sorry Gransgravy my mistake anyway I ll repeat anyone with a penis is not a woman and is firmly a HE

What about hermaphrodites? Which prison would you send them to?

GrannyGravy13

This photo is all over social media?

I've only seen the image on GN but to me it looks like a camel's
toe.

In arguing agains NS’s U-turn he says,
“It’s not just me, it’s for children who are coming out and who are suffering the worst from other children and their parents which is disgusting.”
Does he see himself as a rôle model for the children and an example of what being trans is about?
Good grief.

What does he mean by 'suffering the worst'? It sounds a bit like 'most marginalised group in society' (ie meaningless). And yes, putting himself forward as some sort of poster boy is ridiculous. In reality, the reverse is more likely to happen, with references to him being used as a way of bullying. If he really wants to help children (highly unlikely) he should keep as low a profile as possible.

My post above doesn't make sense, sorry. It should read:

'And why would the fact that someone doesn’t support affirmation of ‘gender’ change by teachers mean that they would support such an intrusion into children’s privacy?'

In other words, the fact that someone might want school staff to stop interfering in discussions about 'gender' does not make it any more likely that they would think that teachers should report conversations about children's developing sexuality to parents. Why would it?