Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

grannydarkhair

If only more journalists/interviewers would ask these questions and persist until they got answers.

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That was amazing! The absolute determination of the interviewer to get his question answered
and the absolute determination of NS to only answer the question she wanted to be asked.

If only more journalists/interviewers would ask these questions and persist until they got answers.

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It's hard not to believe that the choice was deliberate.

The case was discussed on Jeremy Vine (Ch 5) this morning, and the panel members were tying themselves in knots trying to use female pronouns to refer to a man who raped women with his penis and is now not being allowed to go to a women's jail. It would have been funny if not so deadly serious.

'Isla, who raped two women when she was a man. . .'

This must expose the pronoun fascism for the nonsense it is.

I'm sure it's something the school governors discuss, with parents on the committee? It's such a hot issue.

It is confusing that the terminology was decided the way round it is. So many people thought/think exactly what you've said, that a transwoman is a woman who has transgendered to be a man. It would be so much clearer this way round.

Perhaps the terminology should have been the opposite way round.
A trans MAN is a male who is trans and trans WOMAN is a female who is trans
That way the dangerous MAN would be always be identified as a male.

Yes, it's a dangerous MAN not a woman or transwoman, a MAN

I wonder if these educational programmes distributed by Stonewall are discussed with parents before being presented by teachers, in the way that sex education lessons were?
A genuine question; I have no idea as all this has developed since I retired.

It is Galaxy It’s absolutely pathetic. As you say, it’s offensive all round.
And it’s really confusing to people who are relatively new to the trans debate.
There have been transwomen since the 1960s and there was none of this hoo ha.
Similar to what Doodledog said t’other day, there was a lot of acceptance and good will even back then.
These vile, disgusting men are getting even more kicks out of it.

Yes he was mentioned the other day, they need to stop using the description of women or her, it is so offensive to the victims and makes the reporters and the paper look like idiots.

Has this individual been mentioned?
Tiffany Scott
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-prison-row-woman-who-29076924.amp

Because questions raised on inadequacy of balanced picure.
Not that they have no relevance but are not overall pattern to be adopted.

Sorry maybe that wasn't clear.

I meant why might they be very wary of Stonewall?

Schools are very wary of those sources of information now

Do you have evidence of that? . And why might that be, I wonder?

Schools are very wary of those sources of information now:

I think teenagers are more likely to get their information from films like Heartstoppers and others on Netflix.

Yes, Delila, and it's telling that they all use the same phrases, isn't it?

There’s that disturbing “wrong body” propaganda again, Doodledog. I don’t believe any child ever came up with that concept by themselves. Why on earth would they?

Doodledog

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64444530

There is to be a pause on transgender criminals with a history of violence being placed in Scottish jails.

Common sense prevails, for now at least.

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There should be no transwomen i.e. men in women's prisons, history of violence or not.

Here's a great interview with Kate Coleman of Keep Prisons Single Sex :

youtu.be/SYl-pTEl_3E (15 mins)

I don't have evidence for particular schools - why would I? I'm not an educationalist or an investigative journalist or anything similar . I'm chatting online.

But here you go - from the Stonewall website (very easily googled if you want to find evidence yourself ) :

We are incredibly proud of our education programmes, which were set up in 2004 to give practical support to teachers following the end of the Section 28. We now work with primary schools, secondary schools, special schools, colleges, multi academy trusts, and local authority children and young people’s services.

Our programmes give guidance, support and resources to organisations in England, Scotland and Wales on supporting LGBTQ+ children and young people in inclusive education, tackling bullying, meeting their safeguarding responsibilities and their responsibilities under the Equality Act 2010. We also provide support and tools for organisations to improve their practice beyond the legal minimum, to ensure that they are creating a culture where all LGBTQ+ children and young people can thrive, and where LGBTQ+ families are recognised and respected.

and here are some examples (same source):

www.stonewall.org.uk/category/education-resources

A friend's grandchild told her parents she was non-binary (non-bio was how she put it) because her teacher told her if she loved girls that was OK and she loved boys that was OK and if she loved both that was OK as well and she was non-binary. As she loved her best friends (female) and she also loved her brother and male cousins, she was obviously non-binary.
Rather too young for this.

She is nine, and clearly confused.

and as schools tend to have policies devised by Stonewall, the things that children hear there will be from staff who have been trained in those views.

Evidence, please, that this is policy, it most certainly is not in the school mentioned nor LA as it was a specific question I asked.

Agreed, easybee.

I think it's a given that children and young people know a lot about trans issues. The question is where from? They have to hear them from adults, and as schools tend to have policies devised by Stonewall, the things that children hear there will be from staff who have been trained in those views.

My niece is eight, and she was telling her mother about how some people are born in the wrong body and want to be boys instead of girls, recently. She hadn't heard that at home - she lives with her mum, and the subject hasn't come up - so it has to have been at school.

It was presented as fact - not 'some people think that they are in the wrong body, or have been told that they are in the wrong body, but that they are. That sounds pretty one-sided to me. And quite likely to put ideas into children's heads.

It is not up to you or to her to decide what information 'she felt OK with me sharing'. Should the parents discover this they will have a serious cause for complaint, particularly as you have posted about it on social media.

We specifically discussed what she felt me OK sharing and not sharing eazybee and we decided I could disclose that much: no possilbity of Id'ing but a very significant example.

I was happy to be guided by her decision.

Wyllow. If your niece is Head of a large comprehensive she should not be discussing confidential personal details of pupils in her school with you, when you were 'collecting opinions and information for a meeting on trans issues.'