Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Referring to rapists as she is extraordinarily damaging to any cause. I am not sure it is the gender critical 'cause' that has been damaged in the last couple of days.

I may agree with some of the issues but I just cannot find any way to relate to the way this topic is being discussed.

I hope one day people will see that and the damage it does to their own cause

I absolutely cannot believe that comparing types of discrimination and allowing that we have seen how groups have been discriminated against in the past by holding them responsible for actions of individuals, is being twisted into something else.

VioletSky

Wow

I know! It's mind-blowing, isn't it?

Wow

As we’ve seen on threads here, supporters of trans ideology regularly stoop to accusing their opponents of racism, homophobia and not being feminist. It is shameful, and it shows a paucity of logic in their own claims that they have to resort to dragging in unrelated causes on which to hang them.

What has racism got to do with this? She's spot on about the misogyny though, just accusing the wrong people.

Well said Douglas Ross, she should be ashamed but I doubt she will be.

In my paper (DT) Nicola Sturgeon is quoted as saying:
some critics of her self -identification plans were "deeply misogynistic, often homophobic, possibly some of then racist as well."

Douglas Ross accused her of 'using utterly shameful language' in a desperate attempt to smear opponents of these reforms.
True.

The headline that dropped on my screen this morning.
Nicola Sturgeon was all glib reassurances on Thursday as she sought to calm a fevered public by insisting that a double rapist, born a man, who subsequently changed gender, won’t serve out what’s expected to be a lengthy sentence in a women’s prison.

However, what she couldn’t do was deny – although for a while that’s what she seemed to be doing – that the “beast”, as the Tories’ Douglas Ross called the attacker, was already in a women-only prison. After conviction at the High Court in Glasgow on Tuesday, Isla Bryson, who as Adam Graham had raped two women, was remanded, awaiting sentence, to Cornton Vale.

And nor could Sturgeon’s attempt at a low-key response mask the brutal truth that this case had blown sky-high her hopes of persuading voters, and the wider world, to accept her gender reform proposals, now blocked by the UK Government. Instead, the saga affirms the worst fears of many women that predatory men would seek to use her lax gender transition rules to prey on vulnerable people.

I expect many of us are hoping the Labour Party reviews its fragmented responses to trans issues, Doodledog. It needs a clear, straightforward statement, yes sex and gender are not the same thing.
I read this morning, 42% of prisoners who self ID as trans women, have been convicted of sexual offences.

I like Lisa Nandy, she’s a good mp but……she needs some ordinary women in her constituency to put her right on prisoners not being able to choose where they’re incarcerated.

I like her too, but either she's been brainwashed by Stonewall or she's toeing a party line. Or both. Either way, the PLP really need to have an emergency meeting and sort out their approach to this. They are haemorrhaging votes from women, and I really don't believe that as individuals with brains they genuinely believe that it is possible to change sex.

I don't know what is wrong with saying that transpeople should be equal under law, and protected against discrimination etc, but they are transmen and transwomen, and as such should not expect to enter spaces traditionally kept for the opposite sex. Sex and gender are not the same thing, and they should acknowledge that.

Whoops sorry

Canned laughter on TV shows can get lost

I only seem to laugh when the canned laughter doesn't happen and I'm seriously worried about my sense of humour

I like Lisa Nandy, she’s a good mp but……she needs some ordinary women in her constituency to put her right on prisoners not being able to choose where they’re incarcerated.

I voted for Yvette Cooper first, Andy Burnham 2nd when Corbyn won. I’ve often wished one of them had stood aside to allow the other to win. My choice would have had Yvette as leader. This country would be a happier, more successful place if she’d been leader rather than Corbyn.

It is a shame that it took the rape of two women to make it happen, but sooner or later there was always going to be a case that threw the grim realities of all of this into relief.

So, back to the OP. It looks like a smidgeon of common sense is creeping in.

Why?

VioletSky

Sorry wrong thread

Do Something Else!
That’s an order

VioletSky

Sorry wrong thread

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VioletSky

Made me laugh

Where would you like to spend the next 15 or so years?
The Dorchester or a rundown B&B?
Bearing in mind the B&B has a lovely sea view?
Your choice.

Sorry wrong thread

I'd have laughed too if it hadn't been said by a female MP.

Made me laugh

I was wondering that too Callistemon.

GrannyGravy13

I have not got a political party representative of my views. Cannot vote for the Conservatives and whilst this is Labour’s stance never will they see my X next to them on the ballot paper.

Since when does any prisoner get to choose their prison, Lisa Nandy?