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Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

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Iam64 Wed 25-Jan-23 08:34:52

Apologies for my technical inability to link, maybe some one will.
This individual says they were confused from age 4 about gender identity. S/he has been taking hormones and told the court s/he wants ‘all the surgery the nhs can give’. Defence council argued there are three vulnerable women in the case, his client and the women. The defendant pleaded not guilt, arguing the sex was consensual. Both women gave evidence that they resisted, told him no but his strength overcame resistance. The jury clearly believe the women.
He’s ric to a women’s prison, but will be kept in solitude.
We need prison facilities for these kind of offenders. I understand they’d be vulnerable in men’s prisons but they should not be in women’s prison.

Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jan-23 13:20:18

At last, not that he should have been there in the first place as anyone with any common sense should have known.

As you say Fleur it IS something to do with Ms Sturgeon.

Fleur20 Thu 26-Jan-23 12:41:43

So... actually... it IS something to do with Ms Sturgeon.....

dogsmother Thu 26-Jan-23 12:36:06

Shelmis exactly this……the Emperor’s New Clothes.
I have zero tolerance for a few things this is one.

Callistemon21 Thu 26-Jan-23 12:32:36

pinkprincess

^wants all the surgery then nhs can give^

What a cheek with the present situation the NHS is in

wants all the surgery then nhs can give

But he'd soon stop laughing at everyone if he was taken at his word and surgery was performed asap.

MawtheMerrier Thu 26-Jan-23 12:27:31

Breaking news- common sense at last!

A transgender rapist is to be moved from a woman’s jail, Nicola Sturgeon has announced
The First Minister said that Isla Bryson, who was convicted this week of raping two women, would not be in Cornton Vale women’s jail either “short-term or long-term “.
Bryson, 31, was taken to the women’s jail after being found guilty on Tuesday. Ms Sturgeon said that a risk assessment is currently being carried out
However, she confirmed that Bryson would not serve the sentence in Cornton Vale, less than 24 hours after her Justice Secretary said that ministers would not intervene.

Mollygo Thu 26-Jan-23 10:02:25

volver

*Fleur20^
Well done Ms Sturgeon et al...
You must be SO proud of yourselves!
👏👏👏👏 .. . slow round of applause ...

What on God's green Earth has Sturgeon et al got to do with someone who committed rape in 2020 and is being sent to a women's prison under the terms of the law as it is just now.

Nothing- How can it possibly be anything to do with the First Minister of Scotland? I agree. There’s not really been to do anything since 2014.
She did/does absolutely nothing to stop that happening, even choosing not to stop a bill which makes it easier for those like Adam to self ID as a ‘woman’ and easier to demand a place in female prisons.
Since she acts as a facilitator by not using her power to stop something, it’s easy to understand why people hold Wee Nic responsible.

Galaxy Thu 26-Jan-23 09:37:07

Feels like a slight shift in the labour party. Possibly.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 26-Jan-23 09:34:37

Galaxy

I have just read the transcript so I need to go back and listen but Yvette cooper is on radio 4 saying no to female prison for this rapist.

I watched her interview on GMB this morning and I was very impressed.

Iam64 Thu 26-Jan-23 09:31:38

Thanks Galaxy I’d missed Yvette cooper.

Galaxy Thu 26-Jan-23 09:30:10

I have just read the transcript so I need to go back and listen but Yvette cooper is on radio 4 saying no to female prison for this rapist.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 26-Jan-23 09:30:09

Sparklefizz

FannyCornforth I just think that he’s a vile man taking the absolute piss

I agree ... and so does his ex wife!!

I agree

Sparklefizz Thu 26-Jan-23 09:18:54

FannyCornforth I just think that he’s a vile man taking the absolute piss

I agree ... and so does his ex wife!!

FannyCornforth Thu 26-Jan-23 09:02:45

Iam64

TerriBull - the display of his male penis through skin tight leggings was clearly deliberate. Red Flag

I don’t even think that he’s an agp.
I just think that he’s a vile man taking the absolute piss

sodapop Thu 26-Jan-23 09:01:54

Absolutely agree with JaneJudge the rights of one person should not outweigh the safety of many others.
Unbelievable.

MawtheMerrier Thu 26-Jan-23 09:00:35

Oh and there I was thinking he’d got an unusual pocket for his ciggies and his lippy.
(Do wonder how he pulls his tights up with those nails!)

The irony is, despite (or perhaps because of) all the pink etc he looks less feminine than Danny la Rue or Lily Savage on a bad day.

Galaxy Thu 26-Jan-23 08:59:12

Yes absolutely. Do people have no understanding of offending behaviour.
It reminds me of the minimising of offenses such as flashing.

Iam64 Thu 26-Jan-23 08:57:31

TerriBull - the display of his male penis through skin tight leggings was clearly deliberate. Red Flag

FannyCornforth Thu 26-Jan-23 08:52:50

‘Her’ ex wife is saying it’s all ‘a sham’ to get attention and an easier time in jail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11676069/amp/Estranged-wife-transgender-rapist-Isla-Bryson-warns-never-stop.html

TerriBull Thu 26-Jan-23 08:43:03

What I find pretty perplexing in a minor way amongst the myriad of far more perplexing issues surrounding this case, not least the prosecutor in a court of law referring to the accused's genitalia as "her penis" is this. Isla out and about parading their new persona, going the full girly pink, pink pixie hooded jacket, pink wheelie case, how we girls love our pink paraphernalia hmm Incongruously amongst all the pink shit female stereotypical accoutrements, is ahem, the clearly visible bulge in the skin tight leggings. Which begs the question if one wants to present as a woman, why is that on display, or is there also some autogynephilia going on there as well hmm

Iam64 Thu 26-Jan-23 08:39:35

I wonder how female prison officers feel about having men like this one in their prisons. He still has a male body and male physical strength. There are occasions when body searches are made.

MerylStreep Wed 25-Jan-23 20:30:13

JaneJudge

how has the rights of one male criminal who is transitioning after his rapes of several females trumped the safety of all the women prisoners to wherever he is being sent? Safeguarding is being ignored

Because the tail is now wagging the dog in nearly all areas of our society.
If it wasn’t so bloody awful it could almost be as funny as the life of Brian scene where Stan wants a baby.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+life+of+brian+scene+%2B+stan+wants+a+baby&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:85f1d611,vid:R79yYo2aOZs

pinkprincess Wed 25-Jan-23 20:27:56

wants all the surgery then nhs can give

What a cheek with the present situation the NHS is in

Caleo Wed 25-Jan-23 20:19:29

All prisons should ensure the safety of all prisoners. This would cost a lot of money. Maintaining human rights does cost money.

BlueBelle Wed 25-Jan-23 20:14:22

Exactly grannygravy

Iam64 Wed 25-Jan-23 20:14:15

Thank you Doodledog for the legal definition. Memory tells me this isn’t the first time the statement ‘women can’t rape’ has been challenged.
Anyone who has personal or professional experience of the devastating impact on women of male rape would surely find it impossible to take an intellectually superior position