GagaJo
GrannyGravy13
GagaJo
Women can't rape
?????????Not with a penis, as only men have them.
That wasn't the statement. The statement was that women couldn't commit rape.
Not as defined by U.K. law
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Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February
(859 Posts)Apologies for my technical inability to link, maybe some one will.
This individual says they were confused from age 4 about gender identity. S/he has been taking hormones and told the court s/he wants ‘all the surgery the nhs can give’. Defence council argued there are three vulnerable women in the case, his client and the women. The defendant pleaded not guilt, arguing the sex was consensual. Both women gave evidence that they resisted, told him no but his strength overcame resistance. The jury clearly believe the women.
He’s ric to a women’s prison, but will be kept in solitude.
We need prison facilities for these kind of offenders. I understand they’d be vulnerable in men’s prisons but they should not be in women’s prison.
GagaJo
GrannyGravy13
GagaJo
Women can't rape
?????????Not with a penis, as only men have them.
That wasn't the statement. The statement was that women couldn't commit rape.
They can't.
Here is the legal definition, from the Met. Note the words 'With a penis', which excludes women.
Rape and sexual assault
All rape and sexual assault is serious. The terms rape and 'sexual assault' are used simply to differentiate between two types of offence. So what's the difference?
The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent. Assault by penetration is when a person penetrates another person's vagina or anus with any part of the body other than a penis, or by using an object, without the person's consent.
The overall definition of sexual or indecent assault is an act of physical, psychological and emotional violation in the form of a sexual act, inflicted on someone without their consent. It can involve forcing or manipulating someone to witness or participate in any sexual acts.
Not all cases of sexual assault involve violence, cause physical injury or leave visible marks. Sexual assault can cause severe distress, emotional harm and injuries which can't be seen – all of which can take a long time to recover from. This is why we use the term 'assault', and treat reports just as seriously as those of violent, physical attacks.
GagaJo
*Women can't rape*
?????????
No, in the legal definition of the word as the law stands at the moment.
I think I know what you mean, Gagajo but that would not constitute rape.
GrannyGravy13
GagaJo
Women can't rape
?????????Not with a penis, as only men have them.
That wasn't the statement. The statement was that women couldn't commit rape.
GagaJo
*Women can't rape*
?????????
Not with a penis, as only men have them.
BlueBelle
Sorry Gransgravy my mistake anyway I ll repeat anyone with a penis is not a woman and is firmly a HE
No problem and I totally agree.
Women can't rape
?????????
Like many here, I have enormous sympathy for those who feel they are in the wrong body. There are things that can be done for that. But, they will never truly change their sex, it is not possible. Women seem to be on the back foot with this and our rights appear to be less accepted than a trans person's. Be who you want, dress however you like, do the hormones if you are old enough, but do not pretend that you are a real female. You are not and cannot be. Why this is taking up so much air space is beyond me but I think it is misogyny and an attack on women. Just live your life as you see fit and leave us women to our lives. I have spoken to a number of younger women and they feel under attack from this too. Margaret Atwood's vision of a world which we could live in, scares me, and I don't want to walk into that world.
Sorry Gransgravy my mistake anyway I ll repeat anyone with a penis is not a woman and is firmly a HE
how has the rights of one male criminal who is transitioning after his rapes of several females trumped the safety of all the women prisoners to wherever he is being sent? Safeguarding is being ignored
BlueBelle
Why do you call him she Grannygravy he’s a HE
I was paraphrasing the Labour MP
I think he is a he and always will be, despite wearing a dress and lipstick.
Oopsadaisy1
The rapes were carried out when the person was a man, from what I read.
Of course they were. Women can't rape. And IMO he is still a man.
It is beyond insulting to the women he raped to refer to this person as 'she'.* Why do his feelings have to be taken into account? I can see no reason for holding him in a women's prison - he has raped women, and there is no reason to suppose he wouldn't do so again, given the chance, and the chance is going to he high if he is be incarcerated with vulnerable women.
I don't know about special trans facilities either. If they were the same crumbling accommodation that houses other prisoners, I wouldn't mind, but if they are to be state of the art, modern units reserved for people who say they are trans (and how can it be proved?) then I'd see that as very unfair to other inmates.
*I know you didn't do that, Oopsadaisy
Why do you call him she Grannygravy he’s a HE
grannydarkhair
David Blunkett - “this is just not acceptable” re. a two times rapist being sent to a women’s prison.
twitter.com/treesey/status/1618219994499919877?s=61&t=mSpTA69VGhp0dAra2Xq_Ag
Perhaps he can have a word with Paulette Hamilton MP (Labour) who thinks that this man should have all the help she needs to transition…
Well said David Blunkett
That’s it in a nutshell
Fed up with this I don’t care who is what who feels what that’s their business not mine but someone with a penis is NOT a woman and should not be sent to a woman’s prison whether in solitary or not go to a man’s prison in solitary
Thanks for that link grannydarkhair My respect for Davis Blunkett has just soared off the scale. An honest, but compassionate, man who's not afraid to say the truth. I wish a few more could develop a backbone.
David Blunkett - “this is just not acceptable” re. a two times rapist being sent to a women’s prison.
twitter.com/treesey/status/1618219994499919877?s=61&t=mSpTA69VGhp0dAra2Xq_Ag
Tom Swarbrick on LBC has just done an amazing hour on this.
He has been very brave.
The TRAs have been in abundance on the texts and emails.
If you want to listen, download the Global app and you will be able to catch up.
I haven’t commented up until now as I’m just so horrified and disgusted as to what is happening.
GN is full of hyperbole and cliches, but for once I really ‘don’t have the words’ as they say
Baggs
The person is still a man. You can't change your sex even if you can change your gendered presentation to the world.
Very true Baggs. You can't change your sex if you are a man you will always have a Y chromosome whatever surgery you have. The same with women you cannot give them a Y chromosome so technically they will always be a woman.
So why is someone bringing Sturgeon into it when she has nothing to do with it and neither does the GRR Bill??
Please feel free to answer Fleur20.
One has to assume either a complete misunderstanding of the law as it stands, or a wish to implicate a group of people with something they have nothing to do with.
They have nothing to do with this particular case volver but everything to do with this ridiculous GRC Bill.
The situation with a person with a penis identifying as a woman, when they are clearly a man makes me feel we are living in a dystopian world where we are being fed lies as if they were truths. This has the mark of a Margaret Atwood book.
How can people be sucked into this madness ?
Fleur20
Well done Ms Sturgeon et al...
You must be SO proud of yourselves!
👏👏👏👏..slow round of applause...
Sorry, I generally promise myself to keep quiet, but sometimes can't help it.
What on God's green Earth has Sturgeon et al got to do with someone who committed rape in 2020 and is being sent to a women's prison under the terms of the law as it is just now? The same laws as pertain in England and Wales, incidentally.
Its getting ridiculous, really it is. Are people not worried about having no knowledge in this area before they jump to conclusions?
Well done Ms Sturgeon et al...
You must be SO proud of yourselves!
👏👏👏👏..slow round of applause...
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