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Strikes in France as retirement age raised to ... 64!

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Fleurpepper Mon 30-Jan-23 11:28:31

Feels strange- as most of us in UK and Europe have got used to 65 for such a long time.

Then 66, and now 68 planned!!!

Normandygirl Wed 01-Feb-23 12:27:04

Numbers were up though?

www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/01/31/pension-reform-strikes-round-two-of-protests-kick-off-across-france_6013846_7.html

Mamie Wed 01-Feb-23 04:57:51

Papers reporting that the number of strikers was considerably down yesterday.

Urmstongran Tue 31-Jan-23 22:32:55

Macron will back down I think. He had to last time over this and has even less support now.

sodapop Tue 31-Jan-23 19:04:17

That's good Mamie I thought Macron was quite determined on this issue as well. France cannot continue as before something has to change.

SueDonim Tue 31-Jan-23 17:34:41

Quokka

I have to admire the French when it comes to standing up for their rights. Even middle aged housewives prepared to man the barricades …. well almost.

We Brits just let it happen didn’t we?

My dil2 is French and even after 20+ years in the UK is agog at how law-abiding and passive we Brits are. ‘Why aren’t you out protesting? Where are your farmers and their tractors?’ is a frequent refrain from her. I will say, no one messes with my dil, she is formidable!

Mamie Tue 31-Jan-23 17:32:55

I did sodapop and the roads were actually quite quiet. There was a demo in the centre of town, but nothing where we were.
Most people think Macron will not back down but what do the French know compared with the Telegraph eh?

sodapop Tue 31-Jan-23 17:25:50

Well absolutely no protests round here today and everything seems to be going on as usual. I was all prepared for detours and traffic jams but nothing. Did you get to your dental appt ok Mamie

Quokka Tue 31-Jan-23 16:13:59

Joseanne

Their whole culture is based on protection of their rights. I've always thought them a passionate nation, admirable in their own way.

Crossed posts. Glad someone thinks as I do!

Urmstongran Tue 31-Jan-23 16:13:19

I can understand that and appreciate it but it just doesn’t seem sustainable for much longer.

Quokka Tue 31-Jan-23 16:13:16

I have to admire the French when it comes to standing up for their rights. Even middle aged housewives prepared to man the barricades …. well almost.

We Brits just let it happen didn’t we?

Joseanne Tue 31-Jan-23 16:11:41

Their whole culture is based on protection of their rights. I've always thought them a passionate nation, admirable in their own way.

Urmstongran Tue 31-Jan-23 16:04:26

From Matthew Lynn in the Telegraph today:

“France has the third highest debts in the world, a huge structural deficit and an ageing population that refuses to work for longer. When Macron backs down on pensions – as he inevitably will – investors will realise that the country’s social model is unsustainable and they are not going to get their money back. And the fallout from that will get very ugly.

It is hard to see how anyone in their right mind could disagree with Macron’s pension reforms. The retirement age will be modestly raised from 62 to 64 over the course of the next six years, along with minor increases in the social security contributions needed to qualify for that. It is hardly earth shattering. Even by 2030, a retirement age of 64 will be significantly lower than most comparable countries, and with an average life expectancy of 82, will still give people 18 years in which to enjoy their pension. Given that pensioners already account for a quarter of France’s population of 68 million and life expectancy is still rising, retirement ages clearly need to go up. In most countries that is not seen as controversial, especially if it is introduced in stages. In France, it is unacceptable.

Macron will back down.”

Kalu Mon 30-Jan-23 18:37:18

J’adore daube de sanglier. A dish I made every winter in Provence.

Apologies for going off track !

Mamie Mon 30-Jan-23 18:18:44

Ni escargots ni sangliers 😂

sodapop Mon 30-Jan-23 18:02:42

Fingers crossed neither of us have any wild life encounters tomorrow then smile

Joseanne Mon 30-Jan-23 16:36:54

grin

Callistemon21 Mon 30-Jan-23 16:29:53

Callistemon21

Mamie

Charged off again so who knows? There is some weird law about not claiming on the insurance, but suing the local hunt. We just paid for the repairs.

Oh, relief! The adult ones are quite tough!

When I said tough I didn't mean tough to eat.

I meant sturdy!

Joseanne Mon 30-Jan-23 16:26:22

Grrr phone won't accept whiteish

Joseanne Mon 30-Jan-23 16:26:00

*whitefish

Joseanne Mon 30-Jan-23 16:24:12

There's a gruesone bit in Raymond Blanc's book about him and his brother hunting a wild boar for Christmas lunch. The creature spears one of the hunting dogs in the stonach with his tusk, luckily the vet saves the dog's life. So take care!
Anyway, in typical French fashion Raymond goes on to say French wild boar has a redder flesh, the colour of blackcurrant and it smells wonderful. The wild boar in Britain he says is whitefish like pig. 🐗 v 🐖

Grantanow Mon 30-Jan-23 16:07:34

Another planet!

Callistemon21 Mon 30-Jan-23 16:06:48

Mamie

Charged off again so who knows? There is some weird law about not claiming on the insurance, but suing the local hunt. We just paid for the repairs.

Oh, relief! The adult ones are quite tough!

Callistemon21 Mon 30-Jan-23 16:05:59

Fleurpepper

poor wild boar, what happened to him? Hope killed outright and not escaped badly injured.

If he was the motorist coming along afterwards could pick him up and make sausages.
Or is that only the law in the UK?

We're often in danger of hitting wild boar here, and sheep. And deer. They think the roads were built for them.

Mamie Mon 30-Jan-23 16:00:26

Charged off again so who knows? There is some weird law about not claiming on the insurance, but suing the local hunt. We just paid for the repairs.

Fleurpepper Mon 30-Jan-23 15:55:23

poor wild boar, what happened to him? Hope killed outright and not escaped badly injured.