Guy Verhofstadt says “Happy Brexit Day”

Fortunately, although rather too late, many of those who voted Leave have now realised that they made the wrong choice. An increasing number in every survey express a wish for the UK to still be in the EU.

I am not optimistic about us rejoining in my lifetime like so many who have suffered the consequences to that fraudulent referendum but I hope that my children and grandchildren may live to see our cou try return to the EU within their lifetimes.

I will continue to spell out the truth to those who are still deluded enough to think that brexit is in any way good for the ordinary citizens of the UK, our economy our our standing in the world.

,The ardent brexiters who have done such damage to our country should wake up, admit they were misled, got it seriously wrong, and have inflicted untold dMage on our country.

The least they should do is admit they were sorely mistaken and apologise.

You are your usual charming self tonight I see varian. Why the need to be insulting? I never resort to such comments about posters yet I’m expected to put up with them.

Thank goodness we don't have UG making decisions for us all.

I despair of the people who are so brainwashed by the Daily Mail that they actually ignore all evidence and repeat the senseless mantras they have been conditioned to parrot without any regard for the facts.

MaizieD

Such a shame that Ug isn't in government. I'm sure she'd have delivered all those unicorns by now.

I’d have gone WTA from the off. Then got around the negotiating table.

Urmstongran

^What I would like to know is why those Brexiteers, such as Urmstongran, who are still fighting old battles, don't agree with such common sense.^

What, exactly, are they afraid of?

I’m not ‘afraid’ of anything DaisyAnne.
I would however like Brexit to be fully enacted. That would suffice. It is however what the majority (who bothered to vote) voted for. Not this inertia.

You got what you wanted, and we left. There is not, and has never been, a defined "Brexit". I don't know about your voting slip, but mine only asked one question about whether I wanted to "Leave" or "Remain". We left. After that, it's politics as normal'. "Brexit", whatever it meant to individuals, was not voted on.

What you want now are some of the things you believe the right-wing politicians promised you. Well, hard luck with that. Those who talk about "fully enacted", etc., are just the hard right who think they can continue to use the referendum for their political aims. And on the hard left, they use it to continue to fight against those aims to get what they want.

Move on, for heaven's sake. Let everyone just pick up the pieces and do the best we can.

Such a shame that Ug isn't in government. I'm sure she'd have delivered all those unicorns by now.

Urmstongran

The NIP was weaponised to hurt the stability of the UK after Brexit. The EU would likely favour a united Ireland but that’s not going to happen. Varadkar realises now he overplayed his hand. Agrees the ‘trusted trader’ scheme could have worked but oh no, the EU had to ‘teach us a lesson’ and tried to crack a nut with a sledgehammer.

I’d set out for trusted trader. The technology is there.

And if the EU demand a border, let them set one up.
Clue: They won’t.

Surely one of the strongest claims of thew berxiters was that they would protect our borders?

What was their proposal regarding the island of Ireland?

VioletSky

It is not as if ordinary people are sabotaging brexit by disagreeing with it

What are we supposed to do exactly? Life gets harder and harder lately

That is very true.

The NIP was weaponised to hurt the stability of the UK after Brexit. The EU would likely favour a united Ireland but that’s not going to happen. Varadkar realises now he overplayed his hand. Agrees the ‘trusted trader’ scheme could have worked but oh no, the EU had to ‘teach us a lesson’ and tried to crack a nut with a sledgehammer.

I’d set out for trusted trader. The technology is there.

And if the EU demand a border, let them set one up.
Clue: They won’t.

Urmstongran

^What I would like to know is why those Brexiteers, such as Urmstongran, who are still fighting old battles, don't agree with such common sense.^

What, exactly, are they afraid of?

I’m not ‘afraid’ of anything DaisyAnne.
I would however like Brexit to be fully enacted. That would suffice. It is however what the majority (who bothered to vote) voted for. Not this inertia.

What does that mean 'Brexit fully enacted'?

Since Brexit was never defined before the vote, how is anyone supposed to know what it is and how ti should or could be enacted. Hannan was saying this the other day. Hannan who repeated during the campaign that 'no-one is even thinking of leaving the Single Market or the Customs Union'.

So could you please say what would need to be done to 'fully enact'.

What would you do with Ireland and NI- where would you put the border. How would you get the promised super Deal with the USA?

What I would like to know is why those Brexiteers, such as Urmstongran, who are still fighting old battles, don't agree with such common sense.

What, exactly, are they afraid of?

I’m not ‘afraid’ of anything DaisyAnne.
I would however like Brexit to be fully enacted. That would suffice. It is however what the majority (who bothered to vote) voted for. Not this inertia.

Hear, hear

DaisyAnne

It seems to me that neither the extreme Leave voters or the extreme Remain voters can accept that Brexit has actually happened. They go on fighting because they each know that, although a battle has been won, the war hasn't.

Those having a more pragmatic turn of mind just want to get over all the issues and problems caused and get on with making life better.

I suppose it was ever thus.

This.

grandMattie

Because of the political antipathy of the rest of Europe, but their need for our money, Brexit was necessary. We were going to be made topay, both financially and politically whatever the poll result. Verhogstadt and Barnier are toxic politicians.
We have now left, with punitive clauses. TM didn’t do us any favour with her wobbling. Whatever his faults, BoJo got us out, then was catapulted into the pandemic.
We need a strong and committed Brexit government of whatever hue, with help from all the media. No more negative, woke, snowflake scandals. Head down, bum up, and work towards a fair trading agreement.

I like your style grandMattie 😄
Tbh I didn’t vote for Brexit tho was on the fence for a while about it.Seeing people like Verhofstadt and what they were like afterwards made me wonder tho, toxic politicians is bang on!
Head down bum up and work towards good trading positions is exactly right.

So do tell us then, DaisyAnne, what we have gained from Brexit that we can be pragmatic about and what power we have to make life better. Maizie

Do you really think people will reply to your sarcasm? If you would like to ask reasonably politely I will answer.

Hear hear NannyJan53. the utter sadness of feeling we were leaving friends, friends we'd gone through WW2 with, people we traded with so much, could travel freely to see and them us. Thank you for the clip says it all.

It was always going to be a disaster. Why oh why make life difficult for ourselves. Why cut ourselves off from our nearest neighbours when it comes to trading, incurring more costs and even more paperwork. Absolute madness.

I will never get over it. I met my Scandinavian group recently and we all said the same thing. We don't feel we belong here any more. Not that that should worry anybody else but we feel very sad about it.

DaisyAnne

It seems to me that neither the extreme Leave voters or the extreme Remain voters can accept that Brexit has actually happened. They go on fighting because they each know that, although a battle has been won, the war hasn't.

Those having a more pragmatic turn of mind just want to get over all the issues and problems caused and get on with making life better.

I suppose it was ever thus.

It’s a tiny minority who are pragmatic now DaisyAnne. Making the best of it doesn’t mean the majority aren’t angry, very angry or furious - the more people have found out, the more angry they are - that doesn’t make them extremists.

DaisyAnne

vegansrock

Some pro Brexiteers are living very narrow lives if they have only their I’m all right Jack circle of acquaintances to base their opinions on. Tell that to the businesses forced to close or move to the Netherlands that there are no downsides. No one said the sky would fall in if we left but neither would it have fallen in if we’d stayed in either. That is a spurious defence of the indefensible.

That is exactly the same as "some" Leavers. Extremists will always chose to surround themselves with others of the same thinking.

So do tell us then, DaisyAnne, what we have gained from Brexit that we can be pragmatic about and what power we have to make life better.

Perhaps all those SMEs which have stopped trading with the EU because of the trade barriers consequent on Brexit, and had to close; the musicians who are finding their opportunities to work in Europe restricted, the farmers whose crops rotted in the fields because they had no-one to pick them, the fishers whose industry has virtually been destroyed because they can't sell the fish they catch, that the British don't eat, to the Europeans who do eat them, the academics who have lost access to participation in European research projects, the people who have lost their jobs because the company they worked for has relocated to the EU...

I'm sure they'd all be delighted to know how they can make their lives better.

I think really that you just don't want to hear us moaning about it, or refuting the Leave lies...

I'll do my bit by voting out this dreadful government if we ever get the opportunity... In the meantime I'm not going to fall silent.

vegansrock

Some pro Brexiteers are living very narrow lives if they have only their I’m all right Jack circle of acquaintances to base their opinions on. Tell that to the businesses forced to close or move to the Netherlands that there are no downsides. No one said the sky would fall in if we left but neither would it have fallen in if we’d stayed in either. That is a spurious defence of the indefensible.

That is exactly the same as "some" Leavers. Extremists will always chose to surround themselves with others of the same thinking.

It seems to me that neither the extreme Leave voters or the extreme Remain voters can accept that Brexit has actually happened. They go on fighting because they each know that, although a battle has been won, the war hasn't.

Those having a more pragmatic turn of mind just want to get over all the issues and problems caused and get on with making life better.

I suppose it was ever thus.

Some pro Brexiteers are living very narrow lives if they have only their I’m all right Jack circle of acquaintances to base their opinions on. Tell that to the businesses forced to close or move to the Netherlands that there are no downsides. No one said the sky would fall in if we left but neither would it have fallen in if we’d stayed in either. That is a spurious defence of the indefensible.

Urmstongran

One of my acquaintances is a retired consultant paediatrician who weighed up the pro’s and con’s presented at the time of the Referendum and voted to Leave. Like me, no regrets.

So who do you go to when you want children cared for UG, a retired economist?