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62Granny Wed 15-Mar-23 11:36:03

I wonder what is in red box ready for later?
I am not holding out much hope for us oldies, I am in that black hole of not quite pension age but not working as I am a carer for my husband.
Hoping for some help with the energy costs ( although I wish they would tackle the source rather than the problem)
And more help with child care costs for my DD and Sil.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 06:20:02

Oh yes! Energy subsidy extended by 3 months to July.

It is then hoped that prices will begin to drop and if we ever get to the position again of prices being below the price set by OFGEM fixed deals may well be reintroduced.

But given the uncertainty in the world market nothing is guaranteed.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 06:23:05

Inflation is also set to fall, but this has got nothing to do with either the budget or government policies.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 06:24:57

PS has anyone noticed that there is a small matter of what looks like a banking crises developing?

Katie59 Thu 16-Mar-23 06:59:32

“There is a commitment to make tax more simple for SMEs.”

Believe that when it happens

Katie59 Thu 16-Mar-23 07:05:24

Whitewavemark2

PS has anyone noticed that there is a small matter of what looks like a banking crises developing?

When Ukraine intensifies again the banking issues will be forgotten

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 07:07:18

I also wonder about the promised funding for swimming pools and leisure centres.

Most are run by the LAs , who because of government cuts in their funding have had to find savings on those areas that they are not legally obliged to fund in order to try to continue with social care etc.

I suspect any funding heading the LAs way will be put into social care etc and the legally obliged stuff, rather than leisure centres.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 07:07:44

Katie59

Whitewavemark2

PS has anyone noticed that there is a small matter of what looks like a banking crises developing?

When Ukraine intensifies again the banking issues will be forgotten

?

kittylester Thu 16-Mar-23 07:17:34

The pensions cap was put in place by the Tories

Actually, it was introduced by Tony Blair's government in 2006. The limit was reduced in 2012, by the Tory/Lib coalition, I think.

Allsorts Thu 16-Mar-23 07:18:54

Wish they had raised the tax allowance to 20k for those people working full time on low wages. That would be money in their pockets, they are the ones that need help. Can’t see anything that would benefit me though.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 08:16:21

All this and nothing for public services, which saw the biggest strike action ever on the streets if the capital yesterday.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 08:21:25

Scrapping the lifetime savings limit for pensions and increasing the contributions limit will cost £1bn a year but will get only 15,000 boomers and gen exers into work, says OBR. That's an annual cost to the taxpayer per high-earning boomer of £66,000. Bonkers?

Peston.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 08:37:08

So those of you not yet retired can now save up to £60k a year on your pension pot.

The tax free cap of £1 million has been abolished so all the very wealthy amongst us can now squirrel loads away without it being subject to any tax.

Grantanow Thu 16-Mar-23 08:45:31

I don't understand why Labour are saying they would reverse the pension cap measure. Do they want senior doctors to leave the NHS for early retirement as they were doing?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 08:48:44

The pension cap is different to the allowance being raised p.a. to £60000.

That is what is headline says it is hoping to attract doctors back to work.

MaizieD Thu 16-Mar-23 08:54:58

Grantanow

I don't understand why Labour are saying they would reverse the pension cap measure. Do they want senior doctors to leave the NHS for early retirement as they were doing?

There seems to be some doubt as to whether this measure would induce senior doctors to return. Though it might help in retaining those still in post.

The question has been asked why, if the intention was to retain this specific group why wasn't an exception made for them, such as enabling them to stop the obligatory pension contributions once the cap level had been reached?

growstuff Thu 16-Mar-23 08:57:23

Allsorts

Wish they had raised the tax allowance to 20k for those people working full time on low wages. That would be money in their pockets, they are the ones that need help. Can’t see anything that would benefit me though.

The trouble with that is that the lowest paid benefit less than is thought because they don't pay tax on most of their income anyway. The people who benefit most are the middle (and some higher) earners.

Reducing income tax isn't the best way to put money in the pockets of low earners.

growstuff Thu 16-Mar-23 08:59:56

kittylester

^The pensions cap was put in place by the Tories^

Actually, it was introduced by Tony Blair's government in 2006. The limit was reduced in 2012, by the Tory/Lib coalition, I think.

Thanks kittylester. I couldn't remember the exact details and was too tired/lazy to check. I knew the limit on the cap was reduced at the beginning of the coalition and successive Tory governments have kept it. Inflation has meant it "catches" more people than previously.

growstuff Thu 16-Mar-23 09:03:35

Grantanow

I don't understand why Labour are saying they would reverse the pension cap measure. Do they want senior doctors to leave the NHS for early retirement as they were doing?

Because doctors make up a minority of people affected by the cap.

The people who are most affected are high earners approaching retirement who can effectively avoid paying income tax on a high percentage of their earnings.

There are other ways of targeting doctors.

growstuff Thu 16-Mar-23 09:05:13

MaizieD

Grantanow

I don't understand why Labour are saying they would reverse the pension cap measure. Do they want senior doctors to leave the NHS for early retirement as they were doing?

There seems to be some doubt as to whether this measure would induce senior doctors to return. Though it might help in retaining those still in post.

The question has been asked why, if the intention was to retain this specific group why wasn't an exception made for them, such as enabling them to stop the obligatory pension contributions once the cap level had been reached?

Exactly! They could opt out of paying pension contributions once the cap has been reached and invest their spare money somewhere else.

growstuff Thu 16-Mar-23 09:20:26

I have a confession to make.

My partner, who is over state pension age, still works full-time, but is intending to retire in the next year.

He has exceeded his lifetime allowance and would have been affected by the cap. He will be one of the few people in the country to benefit - and we still think it's wrong.

I've made him go to see a financial adviser, so we know for sure what's going on. It's all a bit complicated because he's also negotiating a divorce settlement.

Casdon Thu 16-Mar-23 11:06:34

Depressing analysis on Sky News this morning.
news.sky.com/story/this-budget-has-done-nothing-to-bring-back-the-feel-good-factor-12834686

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 11:09:53

Casdon

Depressing analysis on Sky News this morning.
news.sky.com/story/this-budget-has-done-nothing-to-bring-back-the-feel-good-factor-12834686

That’s because there is absolutely nothing in the budget for 99% of the population.

But the Tories don’t care because they think the votes are all in the immigration issue and that is what they are flogging.

Siope Thu 16-Mar-23 11:29:57

Odd how the Tories can always find a magic money tree for the rich.

I wonder if this budget - which looks like a giveaway budget on the surface, although it isn’t for most, and which has a lot of ‘jam tomorrow’ - is an indicator of an early general election.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 16-Mar-23 11:38:04

A magic money tree for the rich? What about the spending on childcare for working families?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Mar-23 12:04:08

Germanshepherdsmum

A magic money tree for the rich? What about the spending on childcare for working families?

A question of supply and demand though isn’t it?

The demand is there but lack government funding has ensured that many nurseries are going into liquidation x so supply is lacking.

So there is a headline grabber, which isn’t being followed through. Always supposing it ever happens - remember there is an election next year.