Braverman's propaganda

After visiting a seaside town recently, I was shocked to see large numbers of immigrants, all men, just kicking their heels with nothing to do all day. It’s a sad sight to see. Wouldn’t it be better to find some form of work for them, to earn their own money?

Children trafficked to Britain as modern slaves or even for sexual exploitation will be deported with no independent assessment by the courts and no basic human rights.

Is this the sort of country we want to live in and how we want to be seen by others?

Chris Daw KC

The US has stated that conditions for asylum seekers in Rwanda are harsh to life threatening.

Braverman will have to answer that.

volver3

We could try shooting them as they land on the beach. That would save money and get the numbers down and "anything's worth a try."

(Sarcasm alert.)

We could offer them a meal laced with poison, then send them back to sea in their boats. Probably make less mess and there wouldn't be any evidence.

Is it a FACT that we take in the fewest number of refugees, of any country in Europe and Turkey.?
Is it a FACT that the 'boat problem' has escalated since BREXIT?
Is it a FACT that every human on these islands is an immigrant. The migrations beginning as the ice cleared away 10,000 years ago.
Volver

We could try shooting them as they land on the beach. That would save money and get the numbers down and "anything's worth a try."

(Sarcasm alert.)

Amalegra

I would be interested to hear from any politician or indeed, individual, who has a workable solution to the 51,000 refugees we are accommodating in hotels across the country, at £6 million + per day cost to taxpayers. Build housing for them perhaps? Of course not, we can’t do that for our present citizens, so not possible! Speed up massively the processing of their applications, (many of which may be spurious)? Oh sorry! A strike is happening with Border control and civil servants, isn’t it, so might be problems there! A TV programme the other day pointed out the unsuitability of much of the present hotel accommodation for all concerned. One was in the middle of a retirement village and golf course where the residents of said village were no longer able to use the facilities they had expected to be able to access. The refugee occupants had nothing to do all day as the nearest town was distant. I live in a seaside town where there are many hotels full of refugees, again with nothing to do. There are numerous local problems, one of which made national news. While we, like other countries, have a duty to help true refugees who arrive here from politically unsafe or war torn countries, I am at a loss to understand how the number of ‘refugees’ (often young males) from European countries which are deemed safe and who pass through numerous safe countries to reach our shores are classed as refugees at all. I volunteer in a sector that involves refugees from Ukraine and Afghanistan and there certainly is a distinction despite all the handwringing from champagne socialists such as Lineker et al. It is certainly becoming a huge problem which if not dealt with soon will impact every area of peoples lives, unless one is wealthy enough not to use nor need the social infrastructure which is failing in every area of this country in general and in this situation particularly. Answers on a postcard please?

Good comments.👏🏻👏🏻
And it’s already impacting many areas of people’s lives here.

Oreo

annierob The point about Rwanda isn’t about us getting some of ‘theirs’ it’s about thinking if you enter the UK illegally you’ll be flown out to Rwanda and that’s that.Which if implemented properly would soon put a stop to boarding dinghies in France.

I refer you to my post at 14:43.

annierob The point about Rwanda isn’t about us getting some of ‘theirs’ it’s about thinking if you enter the UK illegally you’ll be flown out to Rwanda and that’s that.Which if implemented properly would soon put a stop to boarding dinghies in France.

Oreo

I don’t think it’s worthwhile answering any of your posts Volver3
All of them are contentious and many are just plain rude.

Volver just posts the truth. As opposed to some of the recent fantasies that have been posted.

You clearly have a problem with the truth.

MerylStreep

^tell me how many countries you can enter without paperwork, no, I didn’t think so^

all of them actually
I spent an hour in a Bulgarian police station and not allowed to leave because of a misunderstanding with my passport. That was pre them joining the EU.
We were turned back at the Hungary / Serbia border because they didn’t recognise our Green Card.

Were you claiming asylum?

Guess not.

www.amnesty.org.uk/right-asylum

It also includes the right not to be penalised for being in or entering a country without permission where this is necessary for them to seek and receive asylum.

There is no "let them all in brigade", except in your imagination, and alternative solutions that would actually work have been put forward again and again, both by the opposition and by many people here on GN

These posters are not listening

I don’t think it’s worthwhile answering any of your posts Volver3
All of them are contentious and many are just plain rude.

tell me how many countries you can enter without paperwork, no, I didn’t think so

all of them actually
I spent an hour in a Bulgarian police station and not allowed to leave because of a misunderstanding with my passport. That was pre them joining the EU.
We were turned back at the Hungary / Serbia border because they didn’t recognise our Green Card.

More havering.

Anyway....

There is no "let them all in brigade", except in your imagination, and alternative solutions that would actually work have been put forward again and again, both by the opposition and by many people here on GN.

Its obviously one of two things.

You either don't understand what is being said in plain English, or you are intentionally ignoring the truth because you prefer the performative cruelty, to actually solving the issue.

Which is it?

Nannashirlz

Government give them mobile phones out of our taxes and you only have to watch tv to see them tossing away paperwork and I wasn’t aware that Albanian was a war torn. How many live in your house or neighbor hood probably none I’m guessing. Maybe go down a street where they are and actually speak to ppl who do have to put up with it.

Nannashirlz
The let them all in brigade have no answers, just vague humanitarian ideas which are ridiculous especially when talking about Albanians.
Nothing works so far to stop all the illegal migration so hard measures are called for.These are not ‘poor’ refugees but mainly economic migrants who have thousands to spare to give to organised criminals to get them here.
It has to stop and anything is worth a try.

Apparently homes shown in Rwanda are not the ones the refugees will be using.
And don’t forget it is a refugee swap. We hand over someone who really wants to be in The UK , probably because of family or friend contacts and return we get Rwanda’s refugees who need medical help.
Oh and this will cost hundreds of pounds for up to 500 refugees sent there.
This is toe curlingly awful.

Nannashirlz

Government give them mobile phones out of our taxes and you only have to watch tv to see them tossing away paperwork and I wasn’t aware that Albanian was a war torn. How many live in your house or neighbor hood probably none I’m guessing. Maybe go down a street where they are and actually speak to ppl who do have to put up with it.

They do not.

You're havering.

A country doesn't have to be "a war torn" to generate refugees.

Read this. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24014561

BTW, there are 600 refugees in my area.

Got anything else?

Government give them mobile phones out of our taxes and you only have to watch tv to see them tossing away paperwork and I wasn’t aware that Albanian was a war torn. How many live in your house or neighbor hood probably none I’m guessing. Maybe go down a street where they are and actually speak to ppl who do have to put up with it.

sandelf

The point is to not allow people who are economic migrants to abuse the (admittedly outdated) system for refugees. None of this stops anyone claiming asylum or refugee status.

How do you propose that 'anyone' claims asylum or refugee status when they can only do it in this country and there are no safe routes for them to enter this country in order to do so?

sandelf

The point is to not allow people who are economic migrants to abuse the (admittedly outdated) system for refugees. None of this stops anyone claiming asylum or refugee status.

Braverman and Patel's parents were economic migrants. As were Zahawi's.

Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language?

English isn't my first language. My ancestors have been here 10,000 years.

Just sayin'

Milliedog

And for those still advocating a welcome to all policy - do you have an upper limit? Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language? Because that's what has happened to my grandchildren. And together with large class sizes, it has an impact on their education. I have a number of good friends who were born in Africa, South Korea etc. I'm really glad that we live in a country with many nationalities. We are the richer for it. But borders are vital for every country. I'm not a huge fan of Suella Braverman, but until someone comes up with a better plan, I'll be backing her.

Would you like to point out just* who*, on this thread, is advocating 'a welcome to all policy'?

Or which party is?

^ Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language?^

This has nothing at all to do with the current problem; these are the children of completely legal immigrants. Are you advocating a complete ban on all immigrants who don't have English as their first language?

Do you think that the current tory policies will have any effect at all on the numbers of asylum seekers arriving in the UK in small boats? Which is the actual subject of this thread.

I so agree with you elaine0411. I've waded through 5 pages of this thread for the purpose of reading a range of views but instead of being more enlightened, I just feel rather depressed by all the division. So I'm off to read the next thread about Useful Plastic Storage Boxes!

Welcome back volver.
GN life has been so dull without you, but yes nothing has changed 😀