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Braverman's propaganda

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GagaJo Sat 18-Mar-23 18:52:56

Praising the quality of the homes for our expelled refugees.

Does the woman think the British people are stupid?

volver3 Tue 21-Mar-23 12:49:12

Nannashirlz

Well how many of you would allow a total stranger into your home to live with you. 🤔 no i didn’t think so. Now explain why we should allow young fit fighting age young men arrive on a boat and give them money mobile phones and 4 star hotels. Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so. I want a lot of things but doesn’t mean I’m going to get them So why should they be allowed to jump in a dingy and expect to stay here.

Oh, how I've missed the mobile phone and 4* hotel brigade. Well, not really.

A dingy what?

Nothing changes, eh?

Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so.

All of them. Try harder.

elaine0411 Tue 21-Mar-23 12:36:04

And this is the reason why I no longer read GransNet. Pity really, because it was full of interesting stuff when it started. And yes, this is the first time I have commented here.

GagaJo Tue 21-Mar-23 12:35:35

Nannashirlz

Well how many of you would allow a total stranger into your home to live with you. 🤔 no i didn’t think so. Now explain why we should allow young fit fighting age young men arrive on a boat and give them money mobile phones and 4 star hotels. Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so. I want a lot of things but doesn’t mean I’m going to get them So why should they be allowed to jump in a dingy and expect to stay here.

With global warming, the problem is only going to get worse.

We would migrate if our country was being destroyed, like Ukraine is, or if global warming made it unliveable. So we have to expect people who live in wartorn or climate crisis related countries to do it too. And living in crisis often means loss of possessions, such as passports etc. There is no popping to the sideboard drawer to get your passport if your house has been blown up.

Madgran77 Tue 21-Mar-23 12:25:08

The expulsion of British-Indians from Uganda brought a huge number of people to this country.*
The difference on that one is that they had British passports and a legal entitlement to emigrate to the UK!

I do believe that pretty drastic measures are needed to stop the channel crossings. But I am deeply uncomfortable with the loss of any right to appeal.

If all the European countries struggling with an influx of refugees were to work together on a "bigger picture" solution to the management of welcoming refugees then it would go some way to making the whole process better for the populations of each country and the refugees. As it is each country "competes", there is no consistency of policy, criteria etc and so it goes on.

Nannashirlz Tue 21-Mar-23 12:08:59

Well how many of you would allow a total stranger into your home to live with you. 🤔 no i didn’t think so. Now explain why we should allow young fit fighting age young men arrive on a boat and give them money mobile phones and 4 star hotels. Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so. I want a lot of things but doesn’t mean I’m going to get them So why should they be allowed to jump in a dingy and expect to stay here.

Freya5 Tue 21-Mar-23 12:07:34

Believe they came over legally. No dumping of documents.

Madgran77 Tue 21-Mar-23 12:06:38

Greta

^I, like SB , have a home, a tax paying job,a family and a history here. I am not displaced. I have not come here illegally and I am not looking for somewhere to live or a country to take me in.^
In other words you are very lucky. But no room for compassion.

That is unfair

Milliedog Tue 21-Mar-23 11:58:22

And for those still advocating a welcome to all policy - do you have an upper limit? Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language? Because that's what has happened to my grandchildren. And together with large class sizes, it has an impact on their education. I have a number of good friends who were born in Africa, South Korea etc. I'm really glad that we live in a country with many nationalities. We are the richer for it. But borders are vital for every country. I'm not a huge fan of Suella Braverman, but until someone comes up with a better plan, I'll be backing her.

Amalegra Tue 21-Mar-23 11:53:12

I would be interested to hear from any politician or indeed, individual, who has a workable solution to the 51,000 refugees we are accommodating in hotels across the country, at £6 million + per day cost to taxpayers. Build housing for them perhaps? Of course not, we can’t do that for our present citizens, so not possible! Speed up massively the processing of their applications, (many of which may be spurious)? Oh sorry! A strike is happening with Border control and civil servants, isn’t it, so might be problems there! A TV programme the other day pointed out the unsuitability of much of the present hotel accommodation for all concerned. One was in the middle of a retirement village and golf course where the residents of said village were no longer able to use the facilities they had expected to be able to access. The refugee occupants had nothing to do all day as the nearest town was distant. I live in a seaside town where there are many hotels full of refugees, again with nothing to do. There are numerous local problems, one of which made national news. While we, like other countries, have a duty to help true refugees who arrive here from politically unsafe or war torn countries, I am at a loss to understand how the number of ‘refugees’ (often young males) from European countries which are deemed safe and who pass through numerous safe countries to reach our shores are classed as refugees at all. I volunteer in a sector that involves refugees from Ukraine and Afghanistan and there certainly is a distinction despite all the handwringing from champagne socialists such as Lineker et al. It is certainly becoming a huge problem which if not dealt with soon will impact every area of peoples lives, unless one is wealthy enough not to use nor need the social infrastructure which is failing in every area of this country in general and in this situation particularly. Answers on a postcard please?

Milliedog Tue 21-Mar-23 11:51:55

£5.6 million pounds a day is being spent on housing refugees / boat people. It might be useful to remember that when you are waiting for your hip operation and the NHS doesn't have the moneyfor it. Not all immigrants are doctorsand nurses. Borders are there for a reason. We should be able to choose who enters Britain. Ukrainians? Yes. Hong Kongers, Afghanistani translators? Of course. People who NEED to come ? Yes. Those who travel through Europe where they are not being persecuted by the Taliban? No. WANTING to come is not the same as NEEDING to come. Would you open your home to someone who felt like they'd LIKE to have a bedroom, board and lodging? Go ahead. Me? No. We still have our lovely Ukrainian house guest, but that was our choice. Those who are saying we should allow everyone in should perhaps think of supporting someone in their own homes.....I bet, like us, most people on Gransnet have a spare bedroom.

seadragon Tue 21-Mar-23 11:33:43

Anyone think this just may be a consequence of Braverman's inflammatory language: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-man-set-fire-after-29492654... BTW the headline is actually 'man set ON fire...'

knspol Tue 21-Mar-23 11:33:24

I also wonder what about the proposal that we take some Rwandan citizens in return? Is this still part of the plan, has it been shelved and if not who are we accepting?

sandelf Tue 21-Mar-23 11:21:04

The point is to not allow people who are economic migrants to abuse the (admittedly outdated) system for refugees. None of this stops anyone claiming asylum or refugee status.

GoldenAge Tue 21-Mar-23 11:17:03

Sunak appointed her - we have to fire at him too. She's despicable - what do we call him?

Shinamae Mon 20-Mar-23 21:38:25

Parsley3

Is everyone happy with paragraph 16? We have agreed to take a number of vulnerable refugees who cannot be settled in Rwanda. Is that another problem to be solved?

Out of the frying pan….

GrannyGravy13 Mon 20-Mar-23 17:33:58

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

What poll please Fleurpepper ?

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/brexit/mutual-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-citizens-supported-by-up-to-84-of-brits-in-stunning-new-poll/

Thank you, I have had a look.

Fleurpepper Mon 20-Mar-23 17:29:39

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

What poll please Fleurpepper ?

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/brexit/mutual-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-citizens-supported-by-up-to-84-of-brits-in-stunning-new-poll/

MaizieD Mon 20-Mar-23 17:26:26

Lots of moaning but not a solution. Just like Keir.

Do you never read the thread before you comment, Allsorts?

*Labour*, specifically Yvette Cooper, have said that they condemn the people traffickers, the criminals that are making a fortune out of other people's fears and misery. She has also said that all people arriving here must be processed humanely, and efficiently and then permitted to work and contribute to the economy or returned from whence they came.

Parsley3 Mon 20-Mar-23 17:11:45

Is everyone happy with paragraph 16? We have agreed to take a number of vulnerable refugees who cannot be settled in Rwanda. Is that another problem to be solved?

MadeInYorkshire Mon 20-Mar-23 16:53:53

It's a vote winner, pure and simple. They are hoping that this plan will appeal to those who were leaping up and down with joy after the Brexshite vote "them furiners who tuk us jobs will be going 'ome!" It was embarrassing. I think most of them thought it would happen the following day ...

Lineker was absolutely right, this is exactly how the Nazis came to power - divided the nation against minority groups.

What is the point exactly of sending people to Rwanda and then receiving back other people? That bit hasn't been as well advertised.

Hate propaganda. Also doing it with the "economically inactive", like me, the disabled - want us back to work; mothers with young children - increasing free child places at pre-schools (but NOT increasing the funding for these nurseries etc so half of them will need to close)

More propaganda when Rishi stands there and states that he is helping the NHS crisis. It NEEDS to be sorted from the bottom up. More Social care = more freed bed spaces = A&E not as overwhelmed = Ambulances able to hand over to A&E and get to more calls. "Simples!" He promises £500m yet then decides to half that amount! This is only going to get far, far worse .....

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/22/nhs-crisis-existential-risk-for-the-government

GrannyGravy13 Mon 20-Mar-23 16:03:51

Fleurpepper

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

What poll please Fleurpepper ?

Fleurpepper Mon 20-Mar-23 15:47:11

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

Casdon Mon 20-Mar-23 15:38:49

We are all biased Allsorts, including you.

The mistake you, (and the government) are making is in thinking that migration is the top issue on the agenda of the average elector, when it really isn’t. Once faith is lost in a government history shows that a change of government is inevitable, that’s where we are.

Allsorts Mon 20-Mar-23 15:26:32

Oreo, This isn’t a thread for rational discussion I’m afraid, very biased. Lots of moaning but not a solution. Just like Keir.
I think whoever solves the problem gets the keys to No 10, whatever Gary says.

MaizieD Mon 20-Mar-23 15:17:22

In the early 2000s there were between 80,000 and 100,000 asylum applications each year, nearly twice as many as at the present time. The then government managed to deal with these without stirring the population up against them. And the UK managed to absorb them without any problem.

Just saying...