Braverman's propaganda

Oreo I'm sorry that you can't see the relevance of my comments.

Some of us think the term "illegal immigration" means nothing in the context of refugees.

This is the point.

Who ARE "the illegals" as you so rudely put it Jane1956?

Typo health should be housing

According to the ONS net migration to the UK stood at 504000 for the year ending June 2022.

So why do an additional 45000 migrants without the correct paperwork cause such a backlog in processing applications?

I think it’s deliberate government policy to allow the UK population to expand through legal migration but without an adequate increase in essential services. Therefore medical, educational and health provision needs to be increased to accommodate the growing population as quickly as possible. So yes, point at this government but don’t forget to include total numbers not just the 45000 in the headlines.

Oh, and jane1956, please don't refer to human beings as the illegals.

jane1956

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

Our PM, our present Home secretary and our last Home secretary are all the children of immigrants.
The expulsion of British-Indians from Uganda brought a huge number of people to this country. They were not permitted to bring out money. Yet 50 years on the children of these immigrants are successful in many areas. Why shouldn't this generation of immigrants have the same success in the future? Why isn't immigration a positive thing?
The Ugandan Indians www.asiansfromuganda.org.uk/chronology.php

The most essential matter to address is the backlog of processing asylum claims, meaning people being housed in unsuitable accommodation and prohibited from working for a year or more.

The Institute for Government reported that- "In 2021, the UK had 14.9 cases in the asylum backlog per 10,000 population, more than Germany (13.0) and France (7.3), and just behind Spain (15.3). This is despite it receiving far fewer asylum applications per 10,000 people (8.4) than all three (13.8 for Spain, 17.9 for France and 23.0 for Germany)."

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/asylum-backlog#:~:text=Asylum%20applicants%20are%20also%20waiting,of%20cases%20in%20December%202017.

Since then the situation has been allowed to worsen. Civil servants dealing with asylum claims were downgraded, causing experienced staff to leave. Presumably this decision was made by government. The lower grade inexperienced staff now tasked with dealing with claims are far less productive so the backlog piles up. The money wasted on this absurd Rwanda scheme would have been far better spent on hiring and training staff to deal with the claims, most of which are valid,

Callistemon21

MayBee70

I have a theory that the government are deliberately housing migrants/ refugees in hotels and hostels in height profile places that aggravate the local population so that people in those areas will back their Rwanda proposal. As for not being able to access public services, that’s down to years and years of Tory cut backs. These people are just being used as scapegoats. I’m so ashamed of how the rest of the world views us now.

All the millions the Government is spending on sticking plasters should be directed towards processing applications as speedily as possible so that people can start work here instead of loving in limbo, or, if found not to pass the entry requirements, returned home again.

If the reason is that there are not enough trained staff to do this why are they not spending some of the millions on training more?

I think both of these posts reflect how I feel on this subject. There of course needs to be a process to check eligibility to enter the UK, this process needs to be fair and easily accessible.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

This is a very interesting read from the University of Oxford, for those who want to consider themselves informed on the subject, rather than those who read the Government skewed headlines - includes:

* In 2014 87% of asylum applications were processed within 6 months.

* In 2021 6% of asylum applications were processed within 6 months. 19% within 12 months. 53% within 18 months.

Of course there have been far more applications since 2014; there has been an increase in staff to process the applications but a Report in 2021 (as from the above link) shows that asylum caseworker staff have been "inadequately trained"; there is low moral and a subsequent high turnover of caseworkers.

And yes, it is mainly young men seeking a better, brighter future - wasn't it always thus?

The Mayflower launched in 1620 with 102 passengers, 74 male and 28 female, with a crew of 50 men. "seeking to establish a colony in the New World where they could preserve their identities but practice their religion without interference from the English government or church"

Point at the Government if there are no appointments at GP's, Dentists, if there is limited affordable housing, school places, waiting lists at Hospitals.

Labour, specifically Yvette Cooper, have said that they condemn the people traffickers, the criminals that are making a fortune out of other people's fears and misery. She has also said that all people arriving here must be processed humanely, and efficiently and then permitted to work and contribute to the economy or returned from whence they came. I really don't see why anyone, of any political persuasion, apart from maybe the hard of thinking on the extreme right of politics, would disagree with this policy.

Everyone agrees that the traffickers have to be stopped, the escalating costs of keeping asylum seekers locked up for a year or more is madness, the difference is in who gets the blame for the situation and who has a sensible plan to resolve it.

The problem has been escalating year after year under this government. The break down of our relationship with France (the only country that can help us ) because of brexit hasn’t exactly helped matters.

NotSpaghetti

Oreo

If this plan to control illegal immigration works then Labour can kiss goodbye to getting the keys to Number 10.
Whatever anyone here thinks about it, it’ll be a huge vote winner.

Some of us think the term "illegal immigration" means nothing in the context of refugees.

We need to find out who are refugees and grant those people asylum.
We need to be able to remove the other people.
We need to do this fairly.

Your comments have no relevance to mine tho.

I wasn’t writing about GN ideas and values, but of the countrywide voting intentions.This plan will will appeal to millions, as the small boats have to be stopped somehow and if it works (IF) it will really give a boost to the Conservatives.
What’s Keir Starmer going to do about this huge problem?
Apart from criticism I haven’t heard what his plan will be.
Having compassion for the whole world is fine but not when it impacts the inhabitants of a country and governments have to put their own people first, it’s what they’re voted in to do.
There are so many people already in temporary homes and on waiting lists, B&B’s, and so many on waiting lists for NHS
Ops,procedures, needing a GP or a dentist or school for their children actually near to where they live. A big part of this may well have been caused by poor policies of the Tories, but there’s also been other causes and we are where we are.Adding
45,000 coming in on boats who need housing and feeding to it, and that’s only in one year and you see the problem.

Sorry, living in limbo.
I'm sure they're not loving it.

MayBee70

I have a theory that the government are deliberately housing migrants/ refugees in hotels and hostels in height profile places that aggravate the local population so that people in those areas will back their Rwanda proposal. As for not being able to access public services, that’s down to years and years of Tory cut backs. These people are just being used as scapegoats. I’m so ashamed of how the rest of the world views us now.

All the millions the Government is spending on sticking plasters should be directed towards processing applications as speedily as possible so that people can start work here instead of loving in limbo, or, if found not to pass the entry requirements, returned home again.

If the reason is that there are not enough trained staff to do this why are they not spending some of the millions on training more?

jane1956

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

Brave as a mother, desperate enough to put her children onto a small boat and risk their lives, in order to give them a life?

Of course. Posting anonymously on an online forum takes huge courage. 🙄🙄🙄

jane1956

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

We take less than almost anywhere else in the world. So much for being a civilised nation.

Jane1956, you are so brave!! I really think you should duck down below the parapet. Xxxxx

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

Fleurpepper

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

Yes, I saw that photograph, it is all over Twitter.

Glorianny

Very disturbing that the only press permitted on herRwanda trip were right wing. It's reminiscent of Trump.

The difference with Trump is that there is an article in their constitution that prevented Trump from restricting who attended his press things at the Whitehouse.

We have nothing in ours to stop a rogue government from freezing out any potential news network who might be critical of their policy.

Lizbethann55

As far as I am aware. No one said billions of people were waiting to come to the UK. What was actually said ( and NOT by the government) was that billions of people would be ENTITLED to come to the UK should they so wish. Which is not the same thing at all.

Splitting hairs there😄 but I would refer you to Braverman and her assurance that billions were waiting to arrive, and to associate that statement with the small boats issue is gas lighting isn’t it?

Very disturbing that the only press permitted on herRwanda trip were right wing. It's reminiscent of Trump.

Totally agree Fleurpepper she’s a caricature of a human being
A daughter of economic immigrants nasty piece of work without a humanity bone in her body She needs to go and take Priti Patel with her and as many of the others as possible This country has gone so far downhill under these foul people

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GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

Are you are referring to the picture of SB on her own?

If so it has been photoshopped and the full photo was shown on multiple news bulletins this morning. SB is with three other people and they are all laughing and sharing a joke this has been confirmed by others who were present.

Makes no difference to me. So 3 sick people instead of 1.

Lizbethann55

As far as I am aware. No one said billions of people were waiting to come to the UK. What was actually said ( and NOT by the government) was that billions of people would be ENTITLED to come to the UK should they so wish. Which is not the same thing at all.

This is a report on the interview between Braverman and Susannah Reid on the 8th March

The presenter interviewed the Home Secretary on Wednesday’s episode of GMB, following Braverman’s comments in the House of Commons which implied 100 million migrants wanted to illegally enter the country – and ‘billions’ more could be on the way.

Home Secretary Braverman had told the Commons that ‘one hundred million displaced around the world, and likely billions more eager to come here is possible.’