Braverman's propaganda

Fleurpepper

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

Are you are referring to the picture of SB on her own?

If so it has been photoshopped and the full photo was shown on multiple news bulletins this morning. SB is with three other people and they are all laughing and sharing a joke this has been confirmed by others who were present.

As far as I am aware. No one said billions of people were waiting to come to the UK. What was actually said ( and NOT by the government) was that billions of people would be ENTITLED to come to the UK should they so wish. Which is not the same thing at all.

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

I find it ironic that the children of immigrants are the people pursuing this policy. Shouldn't their very progress and success highlight the value of immigrants to this country?
Lineker's tweet was so correct it is scary.
This is about the persecution of the Roma people www.hmd.org.uk/news/gypsy-roma-traveller-history-month-introduction/
This is taken from that piece When the Nazis came to power in Germany, they made use of the existing institutionalised racism and the system of state control and surveillance, switching the rhetoric from fighting crime to targeting a whole ethnic community on the explicit basis of race.
It still resonates.

Katie59

“Billions of people just waiting to come to the U.K.”

This is an exaggeration of course the reality is that many millions from the third world would travel to the west TOMORROW if they could. If they speak English they just want to leave the grinding poverty they live in at home and move, not just to the U.K., US, Australia, NZ, in fact because English is now universal, anywhere with prospects.

Even that is an exaggeration something like 50% of displaced people have moved to the country immediately adjacent to their country of origin.

26% of people are displaced within their own country.

The vast amount of people who do seek asylum in any other country intend to move back home as soon as the situation settles.

There is only a tiny minority of those displaced persons who wish to move to another country for good.

So millions is a big exaggeration.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/memorandum-of-understanding-mou-between-the-uk-and-rwanda/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-government-of-the-republic-of-r#:~:text=16%20Resettlement%20of%20vulnerable%20Refugees,better%20international%20protection%20for%20refugees.

Does anyone know more about the agreement in paragraph 16 for the UK to take vulnerable refugees from Rwanda and settle them here. How did these refugees arrive in Rwanda and why can't they settle there? We send Rwanda refugees and they send refugees to us. Is that it?

Oreo

If this plan to control illegal immigration works then Labour can kiss goodbye to getting the keys to Number 10.
Whatever anyone here thinks about it, it’ll be a huge vote winner.

Some of us think the term "illegal immigration" means nothing in the context of refugees.

We need to find out who are refugees and grant those people asylum.
We need to be able to remove the other people.
We need to do this fairly.

“Billions of people just waiting to come to the U.K.”

This is an exaggeration of course the reality is that many millions from the third world would travel to the west TOMORROW if they could. If they speak English they just want to leave the grinding poverty they live in at home and move, not just to the U.K., US, Australia, NZ, in fact because English is now universal, anywhere with prospects.

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Dr Iain Overton

The Rwandan government refused me a journalist visa last year to report on the death of 13 refugees there. There are numerous reports of the press in Rwanda being silenced. Can you explain how the recent killings of 13 refugees by the Rwanda police is not a concern?

Lizbethann55

White wave. I presume you have been to Rwanda? After all, you seem to know a lot about these ghettos. Perhaps you could tell us more so that we will understand better why the refugees shouldn't be sent there. Or are you just using the same inflammatory type language that the anti small boat lobby are accused of using.

Well a ghetto is an area where an identified group of people are living. So poor blacks in the USA, Jewish people in Poland during the Nazi occupation etc.

What would you prefer to call it?

And as for inflammatory language. I refer you to this.

“Billions of people just waiting to come to the U.K.”

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Praising the quality of the homes for our expelled refugees.

Does the woman think the British people are stupid?

Perhaps she's comparing them to some of the mould-ridden, dripping hovels with collapsing ceilings that people live in in the UK.

It depends on how low the standard is set.

I completely agree

White wave. I presume you have been to Rwanda? After all, you seem to know a lot about these ghettos. Perhaps you could tell us more so that we will understand better why the refugees shouldn't be sent there. Or are you just using the same inflammatory type language that the anti small boat lobby are accused of using.

The next General Election is scheduled to be held no later than January 2025, with Parliament being dissolved no later than 17 December 2024. Failing any further political disasters which might force the issue, it looks as though we may be stuck with this poisonous bunch until then. What a depressing prospect. My default vote will almost certainly go to Labour next time around, but frankly, I'm not impressed with them either. UK politics is in meltdown right now, and it looks like the economy may not be far behind it.

Greta

^we have a huge housing shortage^
Why do we? For years we blamed the EU for all the ills in the country. Now we blame asylum seekers.

Nor blaming the asylum seekers for creating the housing shortage, just pointing out that having to house them doesn’t help with it.

we have a huge housing shortage
Why do we? For years we blamed the EU for all the ills in the country. Now we blame asylum seekers.

Given that airports exist in Rwanda, what will stop asylum seekers/migrants from boarding the next plane out of there? Presume ability to borrow money for an airfare?

Calendargirl

It costs a huge amount to house asylum seekers in hotels, and the local population aren’t happy with it.

There are now plans to house them in two disused RAF bases, also not popular.

Where do you think they should be put Greta?

We have a huge housing shortage, where do Labour and the Lib Dems suggest they go?

If they were given housing priority over a member of your family looking for accommodation, how would you feel?
Compassionate and supportive?

Wouldn’t be needed if the Tories had got to grips with the situation since Brexit.

They were warned this would happen.

Project fear they said.

They couldn’t organise a p..s up in a brewery could they? Or perhaps it suits their agenda.

It costs a huge amount to house asylum seekers in hotels, and the local population aren’t happy with it.

There are now plans to house them in two disused RAF bases, also not popular.

Where do you think they should be put Greta?

We have a huge housing shortage, where do Labour and the Lib Dems suggest they go?

If they were given housing priority over a member of your family looking for accommodation, how would you feel?
Compassionate and supportive?

Rwanda is stable at present but only because of the authoritarian rule of President Kagame, as with many countries in that part of Africa it is very vulnerable. It is fighting 3 wars, Congo rebels in the west, Burundi in the south and Muslim extremists in the north.

A safe country, probably, as long as you agree with Kagame, by our standards it far removed from the freedoms we enjoy.

I see the right wing excuse for a newspaper - Sun, Mail and Express are reporting that the Strasbourg judges are going to back down over Rwanda.

So we transport 200 asylum seekers to a ghetto in Rwanda and accept the same number in the U.K. from Rwanda.

How does that further the cause of dealing with the small boats?

Oreo

If this plan to control illegal immigration works then Labour can kiss goodbye to getting the keys to Number 10.
Whatever anyone here thinks about it, it’ll be a huge vote winner.

It won’t.

If a couple of half empty planes take off in the summer there will be delirious headlines from the dopey right wing press but it will never stop the boats until the Tories deal with the issue in a proper manner.

I sometimes wonder if the Tories see the continuation of these little boats as being in their interest as that is all they have left to fight with. That and hate and division.

Sending 200 of the 45,000 to Rwanda isn't going to do anything to solve the small boats problem.

The legislation has been on place for how long now? A year? Have there been any asylum seekers deported to Rwanda🤔

It's not going to happen.

I am saddened that there are still people who blame the 45000 or so people who arrived by inflatable boat last year for the lack of GP appointments and social housing. I am tired of it, tired of the relentless vicious cruel behaviour of this govt and tired of the people, smug in their safe home, who would vote for more of it

Greta. I do have compassion. I have compassion for women and children. The old and the sick. And for anyone who comes here legally. But not for boat loads of young fit men. I know there are genuine cases of tortured and abused and genuinely terrified. But we absolutely must be realistic. We must have a fair and just way of separating the genuine from the false. And we must have a successful means of deporting those who do not need to be here. And if you have come from the continent of Africa, what is wrong with fleeing to another country in Africa?

Oreo

If this plan to control illegal immigration works then Labour can kiss goodbye to getting the keys to Number 10.
Whatever anyone here thinks about it, it’ll be a huge vote winner.

As if.