Johnson and Trump

I'm another fan of "The rest is politics" and I agree it's an excellent analysis. I find it really valuable to listen to people who have an informed opinion rather than just an axe to grind.

Thanks MayBe, I’ve been listening to the rest is politics, excellent analysis.

silvercollie

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

Please listen to The Rest is Politics in which Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart discuss the events that led to us supporting America in the Iraq war. Rory doesn’t hold back with his criticism and it is a very in depth explanation about what happened and the mood of the world at the time (ie post 9/11). There are three discussions which cover the lead up to the war and the effect it has had on world politics. And also please remember that, whatever you think of Blair, he did help bring about peace*in Ireland and Yugoslavia.
*something that Johnson’s brexit almost ruined and even up to the vote the other day Johnson was still trying to destroy

silvercollie

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

It's not as if the war went unchallenged though is it?

At least 750,000 attended the Stop The War rally in London. Some say it was closer to one million people.

... and have you not read (or heard) many people still calling for Blair to appear before the Hague? I'd say the nation is still very 'interested'. He has not been forgiven by many - maybe most, I don't know.

What do you find "ridiculous" about Johnson appearing before the committee?

silvercollie

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

Whataboutery butters no parsnips.

He is a failure, he was even voted out by his own party, why is he still in politics, he should be deselected and replaced with someone honest.

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

Thanks for the clip MaizieD, I didn’t watch last night. Seeing the audience response has restored my faith in people. I looked at the mail on line earlier - talk about twisting reality.

The thing is most people knew Johnson was a liar long before he became PM. It wasnt a surprise. Theres something about the way we as a society interact with him that is quite odd. It's like we see him as a small child who has no real control over his actions but who we indulge anyway.

Here is an interesting clip from last night's Question Time.
The topic was Boris Johnson (of course).
Fiona Bruce asked the audience, which she said comprised predominately tory voters, reflecting the constituency's 2019 GE result, to put their hands up if they thought Johnson was telling the truth.

mobile.twitter.com/torysleazeUK/status/1639044744847441921

I mean leaver. He was up till then pro EU…

MaizieD

Zoe65

Of course tugenhat would say that .he’s an avid remainer .

What on earth does being 'an avid remainer' have to do with Tugendhat saying that Johnson is a liar.

He just spoke the truth. Johnson is a liar. He has been sacked for lying in the past. He lies continually and unashamedly.

Another Johnson legacy. Splitting the country into remainers and leavers. Just remember Johnson only became a remainer on the toss of a coin.

He’s a liar and a cad.

Zoe65

Of course tugenhat would say that .he’s an avid remainer .

What on earth does being 'an avid remainer' have to do with Tugendhat saying that Johnson is a liar.

He just spoke the truth. Johnson is a liar. He has been sacked for lying in the past. He lies continually and unashamedly.

GrannyGravy 13, just because your neighbours broke the rules doesn’t excuse Johnson for presiding over alcohol central. Drinking at work, in public service, is a thing of the past.
My neighbours who work in health, social care, police, fire service etc all obeyed the guidance,
The image of Her Majesty sitting alone at her husbands’s funeral should shame him and others

Of course tugenhat would say that .he’s an avid remainer .

Mamie. Agree totally with you. Any other walk of work life the buck stops at the top. He shouldn't have needed the advice of others. He should have known the rules back to front. Didn't think he came off very well in the grilling. But suspect he will get away with it.

Seems as though Johnson and Trump are brothers by different mothers.

Liars and slippery eels (as someone mentioned) who have evaded prosecution or accountability. They only worship at the altar of one - themselves. I need to read up more on Johnson’s latest, but the media here is reporting it (whatever “it” is) may be the end of his political career and aspirations.

We don’t need this type of Trumpian scourge tearing away at democracy.
Peace!
USA Gundy

GrannyGravy13. People from all walks of life flaunted the rules in their own homes. Workplaces were a different issue. I should add, I wasn't a nurse.

GrannyGravy13

Can I respectfully point out that not everyone who works for the NHS was a saint and obeyed all of the Covid guidelines.

I live next door to a couple who are both nurses, their house was party central for every lockdown.

Not the point though is it. If you make the rules that tell other people how to behave then you have to carry them out yourself to the highest possible standard.
It is absolutely clear that the rules on distancing were not carried out and to say "but we didn't share pens and we had hand sanitiser" is just pathetic.
They were unecessary gatherings that broke the rules and there is no way that Johnson could have been unaware.

Can I respectfully point out that not everyone who works for the NHS was a saint and obeyed all of the Covid guidelines.

I live next door to a couple who are both nurses, their house was party central for every lockdown.

In my opinion partygate would never have become an issue if these meetings had taken place with tea/coffee/water. I think a lot of us general public would have accepted groups of staff from various offices needed to get together at times for work reasons. But what Boris doesn't seem to realise is that for most working people alcohol in the workplace is a complete no go, though I understand it does happen in some professional city offices. But the introduction of alcohol says 'party'. I worked in the NHS and alcohol wasn't allowed under any circumstances. And during covid many canteens, staff rooms etc were closed even when people returned to work. And my son and his colleagues were thanked for their hard work via zoom. I think Boris lives in an ivory tower and has no idea of the world most of us live in. I'm convinced he thinks he's done no wrong. Not someone to be running our country.

Now that we have watched the actual 'performance' what do we think? A big bad boy told me it was okay to party?
If he operates at the level of intellectual competence, that he claimed for himself yesterday, then surely that makes him ineligible for public office?
Yesterday was Sunak's day. Only 20 MPs, the ERG? rebelled. A massive yes for his NI Bill. Virtually all of the Opposition voting with him.
Then his tax returns were published.
Before that he said the Tory MP's would not be whipped on the up coming 'Johnson' vote.
Maybe it will be Johnson thrown under the big red bus?

How much money is being spent on proving he lied. No doubt ,far too much.

BJ has basically told the whole country that saying goodbye to a work colleague is far more important than us phlebs saying goodbye to loved ones, while they died alone. He is saying that his office staff need a moral boost (to work in an office 🤔) while hospital staff dealt with the dying on a daily basis, and they got a clap. Why didn’t he clap his own staff ? It’s total and utter nonsense, is it a form of mental issues ? When people are so deluded by their own self worth, after a life time of being pampered and spoilt, they are so out of touch with reality. His attitude stinks of “ how dare you challenge me”, that’s why he gets angry and defensive. Of course he didn’t knowingly mislead parliament because in his head, under the thatch, he truly believes he is always right and can make excuses for all his bad behaviour all thro his life, and get away with it.I’ve said many times that education is no substitute for basic common sense and this applies to so many at No:10. Judge Rinder once said to Stanley J, you would have had to put the PM to bed with no supper when he was a naughty boy ….. then he added “ in my opinion, you didn’t do it often enough” how true is that ?