Boris Johnson

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

MaizieD

^ Even Johnson cannot do this. His political career is finished.^

Well, I don't know about that, DaisyAnne. I was interested (horrified) to see this this morning

www.politics.co.uk/week-in-review/2023/03/24/week-in-review-a-cornered-boris-is-a-dangerous-boris/

Do you know who Josh Self is Maizie?

No idea, DaisyAnne. Nor do I know the particular bias (if it has one) of Politics.co. Possibly it's leftish as I get email notifications from them.

I just thought it was an interesting view after most commentators I read have written him off. I posted it to see if anyone thought it might be a possibility

It's not one that I would like to see enacted, but Johnson isn't known as the 'greased piglet' for nothing...

I think it's wise not to take things for granted. I don't think Johnson is the problem though but Sunak may be. I found the first bit of this interesting:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rA51bRzcx4

It is Marr's view of the questioning and possible view the committee will take.

Oreo

Late 70’s?
I should think that’s reasonable from what I’ve read on here that quite a lot are.
Nothing wrong with that.It does mean though, that being retired and worried about Covid they didn’t know quite as much that went on during the lockdowns.

Oreo. I was 71 in first lockdown. Till the previous year I’d been working part time. I also volunteer for a charity which means being in contact with a range of people.
More to the point, I’ve adult children who tend to the party animal socially. In lockdown they didn’t party. Two were key workers, long hours, huge stress. Another desperately trying to keep a new business afloat while home educating and scarcely any money coming in.
I live in a mixed area. We had not parties. We met people socially distanced enjoying the exercise ‘allowed’. Many finding our countryside for the first time.

I’m stunned that you think it’s ok to be rude to posters simply becsuse they disagree with you. Being as old as your mother in no way invalidates anything posters say.

It wasn't the fact that there were rule breakers. I have no doubt at all that there were. It was the implication that there was a huge number of rule breakers.

If there had been 1million rule breakers it would have been about 1% of the UK population. Sounds like a lot, numerically, but not a very significant percentage.

It’s not rude to refer to old age on this site surely? It’s a site really for seniors after all and I’ve noticed many having golden wedding anniversaries and so on.
Many retired people don’t have an active life, it all depends on health really and if not working didn’t see or hear what went on during lockdown.Some are so hostile to the point I was making about rule breaking and thought it had to be a tiny minority cos they ‘didn’t see any’.
Am so bored with this subject now but really can’t understand all the fuss around it.
Boris deserves all he gets btw.

Hang on pal, I'll get you a shovel....

I believe you are aware the difference between referring to age and being rude and provocative

Tell you what, don’t go on Mumsnet, you wouldn’t like it.

MaizieD

It wasn't the fact that there were rule breakers. I have no doubt at all that there were. It was the implication that there was a huge number of rule breakers.

If there had been 1million rule breakers it would have been about 1% of the UK population. Sounds like a lot, numerically, but not a very significant percentage.

Here you are with your percentages again.
A few posters can’t deal with the fact that many people broke lockdown rules. It’s interesting.

Oreo

Tell you what, don’t go on Mumsnet, you wouldn’t like it.

You're making a lot of assumptions about other posters, Oreo

How do you know we're not all on there already?

😂

Oreo

Tell you what, don’t go on Mumsnet, you wouldn’t like it.

Why? Are they all like you?

Oreo

MaizieD

It wasn't the fact that there were rule breakers. I have no doubt at all that there were. It was the implication that there was a huge number of rule breakers.

If there had been 1million rule breakers it would have been about 1% of the UK population. Sounds like a lot, numerically, but not a very significant percentage.

Here you are with your percentages again.
A few posters can’t deal with the fact that many people broke lockdown rules. It’s interesting.

... well I can deal with the fact that there were rule-breakers. In fact, I wasn't even surprised - it was inevitable. Some broke the rules fleetingly others did so majorly. However, the majority didn't.

But, I don't believe it has much relevance to Johnson being questioned by the committee. Because - as has been re-iterated so many times - Johnson imposed the rules and by any standard would, surely, be expected to abide by them himself?
Instead of 'coming clean' and holding his hands up when the parties came to light, he obfuscated, bluffed, and lied. He did what appears to come naturally to him - attempted to absolve himself expecting to be indulged and accommodated. So the question arose - did he deliberately mislead Parliament? And that is the point at which we're at - it's gone beyond whether he had a glass or half glass of wine and a piece of cake. He held the highest position in government, broke his own rules and led Parliament on a merry-dance, obscuring events, garbling, befogging and generally muddying the waters in his usual blustering way. His performance is an insult to the average intelligent voter. Especially those that value integrity and honesty in government. Without those qualities, democracy doesn't stand a chance.
So at this point, I don't think it matters that some people breached the rules - they are not in power, they are not in government and they are not making decisions, rules, policies, that affect the whole nation.
Personally, I think the man is a danger to democracy, he doesn't respect it, thwarts it if it doesn't allow him free rein, and tries to ride roughshod over anyone who attempts to hold him to account.

MayBee70

Oreo

Tell you what, don’t go on Mumsnet, you wouldn’t like it.

Why? Are they all like you?

Younger and tell it like it is, yup.

Dickens I can agree with you about Boris for sure.

Oreo

MayBee70

Oreo

Tell you what, don’t go on Mumsnet, you wouldn’t like it.

Why? Are they all like you?

Younger and tell it like it is, yup.

I love mumsnet. No beating about the bush and pearl clutching.

Many gransnet members are also on mumsnet. I enjoy it.

Oreo It doesn't matter if all the population broke the rules. The simple fact is that those that set the rules must obey them.

The Rule of Law that governs our whole society is based in having rules that everyone obeys and if you break the rules you are punished. In particular those who make the laws and impose them are expected to stick to the rules and to be punished more harshly if they transgress.

Isn't the above the reason that there is so much uproar about the extent of criminal behaviour, racism, homophobia and mysoginism in the police? The purpose of the police is to impose the law and deal with those who break it, therefore we expect them to be meticulous in obeying the law themselves and ensuring that anyone who breaches the norms in their private as well as public behaviour is ejected.

Exactly the same rules apply to people in other walks of life where they set rules and expect other people to obey them. If you break the rules you set, then if you break them you must expect to have the book thrown at you.

To be fair to Oreo, they weren't the only person who mentioned lots of other people breaking the rules, it's just that the others who did mention it didn't defend their corners.

Iam64

Many gransnet members are also on mumsnet. I enjoy it.

I think I must take a look at MN!

But, oh my goodness - you can spend SO much time on social media, and then discover that the day has gone and your to-do list has not diminished.

I'm so undisciplined - but it's very compelling!

Monica
I agree with every word in your last post, and have constantly said Boris and others in top jobs were totally wrong.

Dickens if you go on Mumsnet you’ll never get off it😁
I limit forum time to sitting and having a cuppa otherwise I’d never get go work, do child care or anything around the house.

Oreo

Dickens if you go on Mumsnet you’ll never get off it😁
I limit forum time to sitting and having a cuppa otherwise I’d never get go work, do child care or anything around the house.

I limit forum time to sitting and having a cuppa...

But - I have an awful lot of 'cuppas' throughout the day .

I have the feeling (you've more or less confirmed it) - that I'll become addicted!

Some people were not given the opportunity to break the rules. In the end it may well be found that Johnson did not deliberately mislead the House but he will still be morally reprehensible.

Parsley3

Some people were not given the opportunity to break the rules. In the end it may well be found that Johnson did not deliberately mislead the House but he will still be morally reprehensible.

Like the pix.

I've furrowed it all closely.
of course he mislead the house.

Anyone with any integrity would have come clean about exactly what took place and when from the outset and allowed the house to make decisions right there and then, but he wriggled, lied, admitted a bit, blamed others..and so on..I hate to be so direct but the sooner he is out of politics the better because his sort only care for personal egotistical power.

followed it not furrowed it.

I go on mumsnet sometimes and there are certainly a lot of immature and rude people there but equally there are sensible people. Just like any other chat site.