The Five Demands

choughdancer

Yammy perhaps I am being dense, but I still don't understand your point. Every day lots of Grans post lots of opinions, many of them political; why is my post so dangerous to me? I can't see that I've mentioned anything to give away my real name or details.

I didn't say the danger was particular to you .I said that anyone's post can easily be found on Google and people are not being careful about what they give away.
Take that as my last answer.

At all levels of society there are those that take advantage of others good intentions, taxation goes some way to redress that but never does enough. If you live honestly, avoid the scams and help those you know deserve it, that’s the best you can hope for.

MaizieD

^Utopia, a world free from want does not and will not exist,^

Which doesn't mean that we can't try to get as near to it as possible.

We certainly won't achieve it by demonising some sections of society and by defending the 'rights' of another section to monopolise as much of society's resources as they can lay their hands on.

It doesn't Maizie. However, we start with two extreme views of "Utopia", both of which no doubt have something - but not everything - to offer. Add to that the destructiveness of extremes, and working forward pragmatically seems to me to be a better way for all.

DaisyAnne

I would be interested to know exactly what "Democratic Public Ownership" actually means choughdancer. How does it differ from old fashioned nationalisation?

I don't think it does differ from nationalisation really. I know nationalisation had its problems, partly because of the lack of incentive to operate efficiently with no competition. But I feel that privatising has caused so many problems, partly because of the massive pay outs to people at the top, even when they have not done a good job. I think that if nationalisation were carefully planned and monitored it could work far better than the privatised industries now.

Yammy perhaps I am being dense, but I still don't understand your point. Every day lots of Grans post lots of opinions, many of them political; why is my post so dangerous to me? I can't see that I've mentioned anything to give away my real name or details.

Many people can’t buy because they can’t raise a deposit and don’t qualify for a mortgage. Lenders don’t take their rental history into account. Of course mortgage repayments are often lower than rents. Do you think I’m daft? Good for your daughter and partner. My son and daughter in law own a property and rent one out so I understand both sales and rental markets pretty well.

Germanshepherdsmum

Landlords won’t be selling to people who can only afford to rent will they?

DD and partner have just bought a house and are paying less for their mortgage than they did for their rent. When did you last look at rental prices?

You know full well it isn’t. Why is questioning these demands extremist or extraordinary? I question them but am neither extremist nor extraordinary in my opinions.

volver3

www.epi.org/blog/inflation-minimum-wages-and-profits-protecting-low-wage-workers-from-inflation-means-raising-the-minimum-wage/

Why increasing the minimum wage doesn't imply a detrimental effect on prices. That's an old right wing excuse that doesn't work any more.

that excuse was used by Victorians who stuffed children up chimneys and had children crawling around looms in the mills. Most of us who are economically literate know the reasons given for non implementation of a fair minimum wage are political and nothing more. Well, maybe ignorance too.

Germanshepherdsmum

Extraordinary?

Is that about my spelling again?

Why anyone would want to identify me is a mystery, my gc don’t call me Barmeyoldbat for nothing!

I’d query parts of number 3 HOUSING FOR THE MANY

On average, British renters spend 30% of their income on rent. Over one million households are waiting for council and social homes, whilst quarter of a million people are homeless. Housing is a human right, not a commodity – everyone deserves a decent, safe, warm and affordable place to live.
Yes, but . . .
Whilst people choose to have more than one home just to get away to for a holiday, particularly in tourist or small village areas, some people don’t even stand a chance of finding somewhere to rent.

We need an immediate rent freeze and reduction
not sure how that would work

an end to no-fault evictions Yes

and an urgent mass council home building programme.
Yes. (I don’t want a lecture on who authorised the right to buy council houses.)
If the houses built were council houses, there would be less chance for new houses to be bought by those who don’t need a home, just an investment.
Where would the funding for these council houses come from? Our rates have just gone up to account for filling in potholes among other things. Would ring-fenced funding from the government in power provide the source?

Extraordinary?

Germanshepherdsmum

Some people just don’t think their idealistic demands through - if they did they would realise that some of the consequences would adversely affect them, not just ‘the rich’.

That would be true of all those with extremist views GSM. Even people on GN, both on the far right (shades of the 1930s) and the hard left (shades of the early 1900s), will make such extraordinary claims.

I would be interested to know exactly what "Democratic Public Ownership" actually means choughdancer. How does it differ from old fashioned nationalisation?

You are asking people to give their political opinions I pointed out that they would go down forever and be very easily found..

So you are foretelling a dystopian future in which we will be harmed by expressing our political opinions on social media?

What do you know that we don't?

I think I've more chance of being identified on twitter, where I do post in my own name than from what I say on Gnet...

choughdancer

Yammy

A friend booked a taxi to take them to the local airport on two weeks holiday. The taxi driver talked to them about where they were going. When they came home their house had been completely cleared out, and the taxi driver had not been checked by the company and had used an alias.
Some people give far too much away about themselves and even their actions. How do you know you have not been identified? Do you expect them to contact and tell you?
Thanks, Oreo for seeing what I am getting at.
If you don't mind being identified carry on as normal if you wish to remain anonymous be careful.

Surely this issue deserves a thread of its own? It's got nothing to do with my original post!

It has everything to do with your original post, if you inadvertently give details about yourself and your political views are apparent when you provide opinions on your original post.
I actually discussed with someone if I should put my original post on and they agreed.
Nothing to do with Gransnet but they did not realise just like I didn't that you and your opinions on anything you answer can be found on Google by a quick Google search.
You are asking people to give their political opinions I pointed out that they would go down forever and be very easily found..

Agree choughdancer a fairer world. We were cheated out of a JC and a Labour Government Senior paid staffers in labour were working against Labour. Good that a leaked report showed what they did. Now the right are in opposition with Stanmer a liar The notable top barister Forde was interviewed said labour had not responded nor acted on his many recommendations there exists a hierarchy of racism in Labour Starmer only interested in getting rid of anti racist Jews who support Palestine Starmer is authoritarian and undemocratic and establishment

Yammy

A friend booked a taxi to take them to the local airport on two weeks holiday. The taxi driver talked to them about where they were going. When they came home their house had been completely cleared out, and the taxi driver had not been checked by the company and had used an alias.
Some people give far too much away about themselves and even their actions. How do you know you have not been identified? Do you expect them to contact and tell you?
Thanks, Oreo for seeing what I am getting at.
If you don't mind being identified carry on as normal if you wish to remain anonymous be careful.

Surely this issue deserves a thread of its own? It's got nothing to do with my original post!

A friend booked a taxi to take them to the local airport on two weeks holiday. The taxi driver talked to them about where they were going. When they came home their house had been completely cleared out, and the taxi driver had not been checked by the company and had used an alias.
Some people give far too much away about themselves and even their actions. How do you know you have not been identified? Do you expect them to contact and tell you?
Thanks, Oreo for seeing what I am getting at.
If you don't mind being identified carry on as normal if you wish to remain anonymous be careful.

MaizieD

^Utopia, a world free from want does not and will not exist,^

Which doesn't mean that we can't try to get as near to it as possible.

We certainly won't achieve it by demonising some sections of society and by defending the 'rights' of another section to monopolise as much of society's resources as they can lay their hands on.

Well said MaizieD!

Utopia, a world free from want does not and will not exist,

Which doesn't mean that we can't try to get as near to it as possible.

We certainly won't achieve it by demonising some sections of society and by defending the 'rights' of another section to monopolise as much of society's resources as they can lay their hands on.

Utopia, a world free from want does not and will not exist, there are far too many that will sit back an exploit the industrious.
The “right” to a good life, is not balanced by the “responsibility” to contribute as much as you can, that is just as prevalent at low incomes as high incomes.

There’s anonymity for those who need it. Those of of us who don’t need it can be a little more reckless. I don’t believe I’ve given enough to come to any harm….

MaizieD

While I realise that it's possible that I could be identified I'm not altogether sure why anyone would want to identify me...

Unless we were approaching some sort of dystopian situation where one could be arrested for one's political leanings,,,

I can't see the problem with someone possibly knowing who I am; I'm not giving away any financial information, nor contact details. And why would anyone want to, anyway; I'm not very interesting!

Should I fear a posse of grans finding out where I live and marching up to my door and shouting at me about my opinions? I hope I would welcome them in and make them cups of tea.

If anyone wants to con me out of money or learn all my passwords or anything else, they will need far more than recognising me as someone they've met or who lives near them.