Polarisation of society

Yes he could.

I wish the Labour party would dump Starmer and elect someone with passion and commitment.
If Clegg almost ruined the Lib Dems could Starmer do the same to the LP?

Even The Guardian seems a bit less keen on Starmer from reading today's editorial.
Rishi Sunak could well win the next election if Starmer carries on as he has been doing.
As for Nick Clegg, he fooled most of us before going into that coalition but he doesn't represent the whole of the Liberal Democrats.

varian

It is true Glorianny that the LibDems had to make a difficult choice in 2010- but it was not a choice between left and right.

No matter how much you might have wanted to see a Lib/Lab coalition (and most LibDems would have much preferred that); the numbers did NOT add up.

The choice was therefore between trying to moderate a Conservative led government or taking the risk of another election which the Conservatives would almost certainly have won with a working majority as they were the only party with the money and resources to win .

So the choice was between seeing the country ruined by a right wing government, such as the succession of disastrous right wing governments we have endured since 2015, or putting country before party and trying to work constructively in coalition.

If the 2010 election had been run under a PR system rather than FPTP, and the number of votes was the same, the number of seats for each party would have been different and it would have been possible to form Lib/Labour government.

Oh come on varian it was all about Nick Clegg having his moment in the spotlight before he went off to pastures new (and more money). It certainly wasn't the honourable thing to do. Perhaps if there had been another election we would have got rid of the Tories earlier.

Only 15% are interested despite all the media hype. Others are not I terested

Have you done a survey of the whole population?

Grany

I think Chatles likes the idea of £8Million spent on photos of him in schools councils public building and having £100 million spent on unnecessary coronation. Only 15% are interested despite all the media hype. Others are not I terested.

You think but don't know.

I think he would rather the money was spent on trees as he is a conservationist.

Oreo

Glorianny

Grany

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany that video seems to have disappeared. The power of Israel?
There is a rather outlandish theory that Starmer is a right wing plant put there to make sure any Labour government stayed firmly to the right. I don't believe it. But some of his views on Israel and Palestine make me wonder about him sometimes.
The apartheid state is completely unacceptable.

Keir Starmer wanted to rightly rid the Labour Party of as much anti-Semitism as he could after taking office.I think he has mainly succeeded.As an intelligent person he realises that the two sides, Israel and Palestine will need a political compromise by both sides.
Jeremy Corbyn was entirely one sided in this case btw. Which resulted in anti-Semitism growing in the far left of the Party.

Why should Palestinians 'compromise' about what has been done to them over so long. IT IS THEIR LAND.

It is true Glorianny that the LibDems had to make a difficult choice in 2010- but it was not a choice between left and right.

No matter how much you might have wanted to see a Lib/Lab coalition (and most LibDems would have much preferred that); the numbers did NOT add up.

The choice was therefore between trying to moderate a Conservative led government or taking the risk of another election which the Conservatives would almost certainly have won with a working majority as they were the only party with the money and resources to win .

So the choice was between seeing the country ruined by a right wing government, such as the succession of disastrous right wing governments we have endured since 2015, or putting country before party and trying to work constructively in coalition.

If the 2010 election had been run under a PR system rather than FPTP, and the number of votes was the same, the number of seats for each party would have been different and it would have been possible to form Lib/Labour government.

I think Chatles likes the idea of £8Million spent on photos of him in schools councils public building and having £100 million spent on unnecessary coronation. Only 15% are interested despite all the media hype. Others are not I terested.

Well said Glorianny

growstuff

Trees for schools would have been a great idea! And would almost certainly outlive Charles and any picture of him.

... a project that Charles might well have endorsed, too!

Oreo

Glorianny

Grany

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany that video seems to have disappeared. The power of Israel?
There is a rather outlandish theory that Starmer is a right wing plant put there to make sure any Labour government stayed firmly to the right. I don't believe it. But some of his views on Israel and Palestine make me wonder about him sometimes.
The apartheid state is completely unacceptable.

Keir Starmer wanted to rightly rid the Labour Party of as much anti-Semitism as he could after taking office.I think he has mainly succeeded.As an intelligent person he realises that the two sides, Israel and Palestine will need a political compromise by both sides.
Jeremy Corbyn was entirely one sided in this case btw. Which resulted in anti-Semitism growing in the far left of the Party.

Oreo you do realise that Starmer has thrown out of the Labour party many Jewish members. This is never mentioned in the press. Amnesty International has declared Israel an apartheid state. Israel has no intention of reaching a compromise, Palestinians are being denied basic human rights. Many Jewish people disagree with the policies being pursued in Israel. Anti-semitism has nothing to do with it.

Glorianny

Grany

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany that video seems to have disappeared. The power of Israel?
There is a rather outlandish theory that Starmer is a right wing plant put there to make sure any Labour government stayed firmly to the right. I don't believe it. But some of his views on Israel and Palestine make me wonder about him sometimes.
The apartheid state is completely unacceptable.

Keir Starmer wanted to rightly rid the Labour Party of as much anti-Semitism as he could after taking office.I think he has mainly succeeded.As an intelligent person he realises that the two sides, Israel and Palestine will need a political compromise by both sides.
Jeremy Corbyn was entirely one sided in this case btw. Which resulted in anti-Semitism growing in the far left of the Party.

varian

Glorianny

varian

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Sorry I fell for them when Tony Blair went into an illegal war. They massively failed to deliver their promises and then went into coalition . Never again.

The junior partner in a coalition is never able to deliver all their own policies but must bargain to do as much good as it can. The concession on student fees was very painful but the trade-off was implimentation of the LibDem policy of pupil premium which still stands and helps many schools in deprived areas.

There are ,many other examples of the LibDems in coalition pushing good policies through _ especially in environment and mitigating climate change and restraining or preventing the worst Tory policies.

You only have to look at the disastrous unrestrained Tory governments we have had since 2015 to realise that the LibDems were indeed a force for good.

They had a choice, they chose the right. The exact opposite of the promises they had been making. You can't crow about the little things you manage whilst you watch the system being dismantled, a process you chose to support

I had one of those green Conservative flyers through the door a few days ago for the forthcoming local election. I was surprised because the candidate is a staunch and vocal Conservative. I thought that maybe he was standing as an independent, so I checked online and he's still standing for the Conservative Party.

Glorianny

varian

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Sorry I fell for them when Tony Blair went into an illegal war. They massively failed to deliver their promises and then went into coalition . Never again.

The junior partner in a coalition is never able to deliver all their own policies but must bargain to do as much good as it can. The concession on student fees was very painful but the trade-off was implimentation of the LibDem policy of pupil premium which still stands and helps many schools in deprived areas.

There are ,many other examples of the LibDems in coalition pushing good policies through _ especially in environment and mitigating climate change and restraining or preventing the worst Tory policies.

You only have to look at the disastrous unrestrained Tory governments we have had since 2015 to realise that the LibDems were indeed a force for good.

Beware, the Tories are getting clever - most Tory MP's have removed the word "Conservative" from their Twitter pages, for example Michael Fabricant's bio reads

"Socially liberal MP for Lichfield"

The other thing they are doing - remember when the elections came around, you would get at least 3 different leaflets, one blue one from the Conservative Party, one red one from Labour, and possibly a yellow/orange one from the Liberals ...? Well the new Conservative ones are GREEN., and they do NOT mention anywhere on there that they are Conservatives! Clever eh?

Ilovecheese

I do think though that all the lies that Keir Starmer has told could easily rebound on him during the next election campaign. There are so many videos of him saying one thing and so many of him saying the opposite that can be played together.
Rishi Sunak is making some headway towards appearing as an honest and stable P. M. after the last two, I really don't think a win for Keir Starmer is neccessarily a given.

Oh, I bet there are . If I worked for the Tories, and had access to vast amounts of footage I could make a video cut so that anyone in the public eye was made to look duplicitous.

If I couldn't manage to shake off their reputation for being a party of heartless liars (on account of it being incredibly difficult to deny), at least I'd get people saying that 'they are all the same', which would be something of a result.

I see the Tories have a new broadcast about their 'Five Priorities'. Remind you of anything? The difference between a priority and a promise, of course, is that one can be held to account and the other can't. And one of the 'priorities' is 'We Will Halve Inflation'. As though the government set the inflation rate. It's so manipulative.

varian

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Sorry I fell for them when Tony Blair went into an illegal war. They massively failed to deliver their promises and then went into coalition . Never again.

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Yes Glorianny and Ilovecheese agree ordinary people are looking outside the Labour Party at organisation's like unions. I think Clare Short said she has joined a union, on Not The Andrew Marr Show YouTube video.

I agree Glorianny that the best hope for ordinary people to earn a decent living lies with the unions. Or even with celebrities like Carol Vorderman and Fergal Sharkey and Marcus Rashford who seem to care more about honesty and social justice than do the current Labour leadership.

I do think though that all the lies that Keir Starmer has told could easily rebound on him during the next election campaign. There are so many videos of him saying one thing and so many of him saying the opposite that can be played together.
Rishi Sunak is making some headway towards appearing as an honest and stable P. M. after the last two, I really don't think a win for Keir Starmer is neccessarily a given.

Grany

Gloriyanny I can't you my ipad for Gransnet the new cheapo ipad keeps loading and unloading the page so I use iPhone sometimes to post and couldn't copy link to video. The video untittled Exposed. Kier Starmer & The Establisment Coup. From Double Down News on YouTube. He does seem very establishment and authoritarian I though the video summed him up pretty well. See what you think

Thanks Grany I found it. It paints a worse picture of Starmer than I had imagined. It seems that the only real hope for ordinary people now lies outside the Labour party with organisations like the Unions.
I seem to remember reading that Claire Short had joined the retired branch of one (possibly UNITE?)

Gloriyanny I can't you my ipad for Gransnet the new cheapo ipad keeps loading and unloading the page so I use iPhone sometimes to post and couldn't copy link to video. The video untittled Exposed. Kier Starmer & The Establisment Coup. From Double Down News on YouTube. He does seem very establishment and authoritarian I though the video summed him up pretty well. See what you think