Brexit finally ends channel Crossing

MerylStreep

volver3

Like this you mean?

www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1746009/british-tourists-spain-holidays-airport-chaos

www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/what-its-like-europes-airports-27108961

It was only a short while ago that you told us not to believe everything we read in the Express
So are we now supposed to believe the link. After all, you tell us you like facts

So if we put links to Guardian or Independent, we are told it is all very biased. So when pro Brexit papers like the Express actually accept that Brexit is a major factor- best to quote from them, since in your own opinion, they are not 'left wing' biased.

JdotJ

IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????

This has been explained quite a while back!

Yes, at peak times, Dover has always been a problem. But it is now much much worse due to checks required (by UK) by Brexit.

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volver3

Like this you mean?

www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1746009/british-tourists-spain-holidays-airport-chaos

www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/what-its-like-europes-airports-27108961

It was only a short while ago that you told us not to believe everything we read in the Express
So are we now supposed to believe the link. After all, you tell us you like facts

JdotJ

IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????

Possibly because Dover is the gateway to southern europe in addition to Holland, Belgium, Germany and further east.

Like this you mean?

www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1746009/british-tourists-spain-holidays-airport-chaos

www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/what-its-like-europes-airports-27108961

JdotJ

IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????

Because none of the other EU border countries had an infrastructure and systems designed for free movement of people and goods, and then removed those two freedoms?

Odd notion init? Tunnel, as usual.

IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????

As a Dovorian I just want to say that the delays at Dover have been going on since long before Brexit, especially at the beginning of all our school holidays. If you know the layout of Dover well, you will know there isn't much room for extra traffic or anything else at the foot of the cliffs. We have a very busy dual-carriageway which cuts off the sea front from the rest of the town, because there was nowhere else to build it, and another which comes down to the port from the top of the cliffs. Dover can't cope with the extra traffic, but there is no scope for building more infrastructure.

Joseanne

Something reminded me that DH went there to a naval base to do some work. I've just asked him and there was a prison ship there. The naval base was called HMS Osprey, this was 1990s.

It was a training base and air station, closed in the 1990s, I think, and where ships, both British and foreign, came in for trials carried out by the RN after refits.

Something reminded me that DH went there to a naval base to do some work. I've just asked him and there was a prison ship there. The naval base was called HMS Osprey, this was 1990s.

Whitewavemark2

Anyone seen that utter monstrosity that they are apparently towing to Portland? If I lived there I’d be rioting - it will be a total stain on the beautiful area.

I don't know where it's come from but it looks like a floating factory.

I'm sure a ship moored at Portland was used as a prison not that long ago - is it still there too?

My youngest Dd is currently skiing with 54 school children (she’s a teacher , not one of the kids!) . They went by plane. Yes it is quite a posh school.

Anyone seen that utter monstrosity that they are apparently towing to Portland? If I lived there I’d be rioting - it will be a total stain on the beautiful area.

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varian

Yes the proper rich kids went ski-ing with their families.

Oh dear..

We're working class. We still piled everyone in the car. Far cheaper than the school trips. Added plus family time.

'Nothing wrong with wanting to be with one’s family.,

of course not. One does not prevent the other though. All the trips I run had top skiers as well as beginners and everything in between.

We had to qualify as official 'ski organisers' in order to lead those trips, in our own holiday time and at our own cost too.

Fleurpepper

because for all sorts of reasons, some families could not, or would not, give their children the 'best opportunities'.

Agree with you.

Refuse to be made to feel guilty for my children’s upbringing though.

Joseanne

It doesn't matter who is wealthy or not, all children are rich in experiences if they've had a little break away, even locally, with friends, family, school, cubs etc.

Totally agree 👍🏻

because for all sorts of reasons, some families could not, or would not, give their children the 'best opportunities'.

Jaxjacky

Well we’re not rich, so our granddaughter has gone with school, suffering the accommodation and food offered ‘roughing it’.
I’ll see what she says when she gets back.

I hope she has a brilliant time and the delays on the way out are not repeated on the return journey.

One of the main reasons our brood were never interested in school ski trips was that we were fortunate that they could all ski before senior school, one before infant school and one before juniors.

They were accustomed to going away with us, other family members and family friends whose children they had grown up with. Sometimes there were over 30 in our party, they enjoyed being together.

Nothing wrong with wanting to be with one’s family.

Joseanne

It doesn't matter who is wealthy or not, all children are rich in experiences if they've had a little break away, even locally, with friends, family, school, cubs etc.

Yes, for those, some staff and myself, used to organise week-end trips Youth Hostelling within 50-100 miles- in our own time, to get them a chance to get away very cheaply, and we had a special fund to cover all or parts of costs for those with families in difficulty. Girls only trips with only female staff for girls who were never allowed to go on mixed trips. And for the Special Needs section of the school, camping trips in our back garden.

This thread has totally lost the plot.
I agree Fleurpepper. We all do our best to give children the best opportunities.

It doesn't matter who is wealthy or not, all children are rich in experiences if they've had a little break away, even locally, with friends, family, school, cubs etc.