Diane Abbott suspended from the Labour Party

Indeed vintage which is why the Jews are a race of people not just afilliated by religious faith.

She has apologised, she isn't anti-semitic, nor is Corbyn. They are pro-Palestine. The weaponising of anti-semitism to purge left wingers and Palestinian supporters from the LP is one of the most disgusting occurrences in its history. It needs to be recognised for what it is.

Does it matter if what Dianne said was about Racism or Religious intolerance? Just her latest gaffe. It’s intolerance and totally out of order, she has no place in government, the apology was only an attempt to excuse herself,

Glorianny

She has apologised, she isn't anti-semitic, nor is Corbyn. They are pro-Palestine. The weaponising of anti-semitism to purge left wingers and Palestinian supporters from the LP is one of the most disgusting occurrences in its history. It needs to be recognised for what it is.

She might have apologised, still doesn’t excuse her writing the letter and the. sending it to a National Newspaper for it to be published.

You are defending the indefensible…

Glorianny

She has apologised, she isn't anti-semitic, nor is Corbyn. They are pro-Palestine. The weaponising of anti-semitism to purge left wingers and Palestinian supporters from the LP is one of the most disgusting occurrences in its history. It needs to be recognised for what it is.

Why did the Jewish Labour Movement support her suspension?

Yes, it is indefensible.

Here is a reference to the Nuremberg Race laws promulgated in Germany by the ruling Nazi party in 1935. It clearly talks about the Jews as a race and penalises those who have Jewish

How anyone can read a clear explanation of how the Nazis classified Jews as a separate race and how the rules governing them excised them other races and then write what was written, eludes me.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nuremberg-race-laws

She seems to be following the culturally American white supremacist arguments.

I remember Diane Abbott's speech just after she was elected as an MP and was so happy for her. I was optimistic because an under-represented group of people was being represented by a bright young female.

I don't really know what's happened to her, but she does seem to be prone to gaffes. She's an intelligent woman and should have realised how offensive her letter was.

Casdon

Glorianny

She has apologised, she isn't anti-semitic, nor is Corbyn. They are pro-Palestine. The weaponising of anti-semitism to purge left wingers and Palestinian supporters from the LP is one of the most disgusting occurrences in its history. It needs to be recognised for what it is.

Why did the Jewish Labour Movement support her suspension?

Because the Jewish Labour Movement is to the right of the LP and support Israel as does Kier Starmer.
The purging of the left wing and of Jewish left wing members is about the most prejudiced actions ever seen in a democratic party. Jewish Voice for Labour speaks for them. But they are the wrong sort of Jews so the actions against them are not apparently anti-semitic www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/the-ehrc-has-spoken-labour-is-no-place-for-left-wing-jews/

This lady appears to have an unfortunate habit of failing to engage her brain; among other jaw dropping utterances over the years, did she not suggest that we could have thirty thousand more policeman and that this would cost the country only £300,000 a year? Do you sometimes wonder how some poeple get voted into positions of power and authority?

Yes MrsNemo I wonder and despair.

She always has a knack of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
At 70 years old, time to retire I think.

Strange lady - obviously highly intelligent from her qualifications - but she has the nous of a gnat.

Glorianny

Casdon

Glorianny

She has apologised, she isn't anti-semitic, nor is Corbyn. They are pro-Palestine. The weaponising of anti-semitism to purge left wingers and Palestinian supporters from the LP is one of the most disgusting occurrences in its history. It needs to be recognised for what it is.

Why did the Jewish Labour Movement support her suspension?

Because the Jewish Labour Movement is to the right of the LP and support Israel as does Kier Starmer.
The purging of the left wing and of Jewish left wing members is about the most prejudiced actions ever seen in a democratic party. Jewish Voice for Labour speaks for them. But they are the wrong sort of Jews so the actions against them are not apparently anti-semitic www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/the-ehrc-has-spoken-labour-is-no-place-for-left-wing-jews/

But the majority of Jews themselves don’t agree with the Jewish Voice for Labour standpoint as I understand it, so the Jewish Labour Movement accepting it will accord with the majority perspective. Whatever your perspective though, there’s no denying that as is unfortunately too often the case for her, she engaged her mouth rather than her brain on this occasion, she’s seriously back-pedalled so she knows she was in the wrong.

Grany

There is no anti semitism it was all made up manufactured to get rid of Corbyn. The anti semitism in party is Starmer getting rid of actual Jews who are anti racist

I don't know how you could state that in the light of what Diane Abbott has just written 😲

A pity, despite her gaffes, I always rather liked Diane.

“Barry Sheerman’s first reaction on hearing that two prominent Jewish businessmen supposedly missed out on peerages is to think about ‘silver shekels’, alluding in one fell swoop to both classic and modern antisemitic tropes about Jews corrupting politics with money and being more loyal to Israel than their own countries."
antisemitism.org/caa-calls-for-labour-and-co-operative-mp-barry-sheerman-to-lose-the-whip-following-doubly-antisemitic-silver-shekels-tweet/
MP Barry Sheerman “Apparently there has been a bit of a run on silver shekels!” After Twitter users asked what he was talking about, he posted another tweet, seemingly referring to the first, saying: “Apparently Richard Desmond & Philip Green were on the original list for seats in the House of Lords!”
Sheerman did not lose the whip, but then he is a Labour Friend of Israel and so beloved of the right wing Jewish Chronicle

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Selective quoting doesn’t make the point for you.

I think that quote is deeply antisemitic.

Wow! I didn’t see that coming. Will now read the thread to see what you all think.

Galaxy

I think that quote is deeply antisemitic.

I read it as she is saying that racism only exists in a white/black context. I see it as denying that antisemitism is racist.

But then, I'm having trouble differentiating between racism and racial prejudice.

Casdon

Glorianny

Casdon

Glorianny

She has apologised, she isn't anti-semitic, nor is Corbyn. They are pro-Palestine. The weaponising of anti-semitism to purge left wingers and Palestinian supporters from the LP is one of the most disgusting occurrences in its history. It needs to be recognised for what it is.

Why did the Jewish Labour Movement support her suspension?

Because the Jewish Labour Movement is to the right of the LP and support Israel as does Kier Starmer.
The purging of the left wing and of Jewish left wing members is about the most prejudiced actions ever seen in a democratic party. Jewish Voice for Labour speaks for them. But they are the wrong sort of Jews so the actions against them are not apparently anti-semitic www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/the-ehrc-has-spoken-labour-is-no-place-for-left-wing-jews/

But the majority of Jews themselves don’t agree with the Jewish Voice for Labour standpoint as I understand it, so the Jewish Labour Movement accepting it will accord with the majority perspective. Whatever your perspective though, there’s no denying that as is unfortunately too often the case for her, she engaged her mouth rather than her brain on this occasion, she’s seriously back-pedalled so she knows she was in the wrong.

But does standing up for what is right necessarily accord with what is the majority view? The majority of Germans supported the Nazis.
What she said was unfortunate but it wasn't anti-semitic. She was wrong and she apologised.
If you read the link I posted I find the idea that left wing Jews are afraid to attend meetings and speak up about Israeli aggression for fear of suspension far more concerning than a letter to a newspaper.

Has anyone got a link to the actual letter. All I can find is two paragraphs titled Racism is black and white

This is the best I can do - suggesting that only people of colour experience racism all their lives, not white people who may experience ‘prejudice’ by virtue of being Jewish or having red hair. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978

If she isn’t anti semitic why has she apologised?

Corbyn attended a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who
murdered an Israeli Olympic Team, he didn’t apologise, he
said ‘I was there but i don’t know if I was involved’ ! 🤥