Diane Abbott suspended from the Labour Party

Comparing Jews with ginger headed people has sod all to do with Palastine.

It was said today she was writing her autobiography so perhaps would be standing down before the next election.

Was this letter deliberately meant ! ! ! !

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M0nica

There isn't one. It is just the standard response of closet anti-semites.

Would you like to name the "closet anti-semites"? Do these include the Jews who support Palestinians and condemn Israel's actions?
I don't expect an answer by the way. Any more than I expect tickingbird to answer my questions about the Jews banned from the LP
It's so much easier to simply say supporters of Palestine are anti-semitic than to deal with the real problem presented by the state of Israel.

Really tickingbird? You think we use the destruction of an entire race of people, the Palestinian's, as a political point?

I didn’t name anyone but I see you know who and what you are.

That said you’ll see I don’t mention your GN name as I stopped engaging with anything you post several months ago after you accused me of being a supporter of a neo nazi organisation. That post was deleted. As far as I’m concerned so are you.

Germanshepherdsmum

An apology isn’t enough. She should never have made the comment, should have known better. If Starmer is serious about eradicating antisemitism from his party he will sack her.

My view absolutely.

I read not too long ago that attacks against the Jewish community are on the increase. Her comments don't help the situation one bit.

Stupid woman - I used to defend her at one time because of all the hate mail she received. You'd assume she'd know better than to make such a comparison.

Starmer needs to get rid of her.

There isn't one. It is just the standard response of closet anti-semites.

Where is the connection of standing on a soapbox over Palestine and Abbott comparing persecution of Jews with ginger heads ?

tickingbird

It’s interesting how the far left posters on this site use Israel as a hook to hang their egregious anti semitism on. They always crawl out of the woodwork and expose themselves.

No different to laying blame for Isis on the average Muslim.

It isn't just far left posters who condemn the actions of Israel, some Jews do and Amnesty International says Israel is an apartheid state.
As for "crawling out the woodwork" I'm standing on my soapbox for everyone to see. I'm standing up for the oppressed people of Palestine
Marek Edelman the last surviving leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising said, “To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed, never with the oppressors.”
I know that jewish people have differing views on the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli state. The pity is that the LP will not permit any Jew to express support for Palestine.

Anniebach

I cannot forget Luciana Berger needing a police escort

Agreed 👍🏻

I cannot forget Luciana Berger needing a police escort

What DA wrote was wrong, no ifs, buts, deflections or multiple dead cats.

I find racism and anti semitism abhorrent. We often disagree on politics but I agree with your comments here tickingbird.

Witzend Judaism is a faith, the Jewish people are a race.

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What Rees mogg said was abhorrent (most of what he says is offensive) and what diane Abbott said was abhorrent. I assume you agree FP.

As I understand it, Judaism descends through the mother, and converts are few, so I don’t see how it can not be seen as a race.

tickingbird

It’s interesting how the far left posters on this site use Israel as a hook to hang their egregious anti semitism on. They always crawl out of the woodwork and expose themselves.

No different to laying blame for Isis on the average Muslim.

Not at all. You choose to totally mis-understand. What I would like to see, is those jews who disapprove of what is happening against the Palestinans to stand up and say how wrong it is. Actually, my Jewish friends do- but they are very rare, and get enormous amounts of abuse.

Extreme left? Where?

What Rees-Mogg said about the British concentration camps was abhorrent and pure lies. Did you stand up and say so? The picking and choosing comes from many sides.

Iam64

I’m relieved the LP acted swiftly. Despite what Grany and Gloryannie always claim in these discussions, anti semitism was rife in the Corbyn era]. You quote your Jewish friends, I refer to mine. Holocaust survivors here in north Manchester keeping a suitcase/go bag by the door in case Corbyn the anti semite, they believed, got into number 10. To a person these were Labour voters until they werent

More Jews have been suspended from the LP under Starmer than ever were under Corbyn. Can you please explain why this isn't anti-semitic?
The weaponisation of anti-semitism is regarded by many as a problem Heather Mendick says
I received the email accusing me, a Jewish person, of antisemitism on Erev Rosh Hashanah when Jews believe that G-d writes our fate for the coming year in the book of life or the book of death. The email requested a response during the ten days of repentance before Yom Kippur, the day when G-d seals our fate. This was done in the name of fighting antisemitism and making the party welcoming for Jewish people. In making this claim, the Labour Party is excluding me from the category of ‘Jewish people’. I cannot express in words how painful and offensive this is. Mine is not an isolated case. There is clear evidence that Jewish members appear disproportionately among those being investigated, suspended and excluded for ‘antisemitism’. This is unsurprising as the Party is using its disciplinary processes to police what members can say about Jewish identity and about anti-Jewish racism, and these are topics on which Jewish people are understandably more likely to speak out than non-Jews.
She's just one of the Jews thrown out of the LP.
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/the-weaponisation-of-antisemitism-the-case-of-heather-mendick/

It’s interesting how the far left posters on this site use Israel as a hook to hang their egregious anti semitism on. They always crawl out of the woodwork and expose themselves.

No different to laying blame for Isis on the average Muslim.

Selective outrage, about selective discrimination and racism. Either you shouldn't 'select, pick and choose' or ...

Jackiest

GagaJo: I never mentioned windrush I only mentioned the slave trade and the second world war. The windrush scandal did not start till 2018.

The part of your response I was replying to was this:

Now is the time to learn from the mistakes and set up systems so they can never happen again and then move on to a better world.

It isn't a 'so they can never happen again' situation. It is situation which is ongoing. Not arguing about who was worse off. Or bickering about specific points of history. But the active, ongoing racism, discrimination and oppression against Black British people.

Fleurpepper

Anniebach

Yes Iam anti semitism was rife during the Corbyn years, 100
apologies does change the fact of Abbott’s view on anti semitism,

For many many years, you have been confusin anti-semitism with anti-Zionism, and totally refuse to see and understand the difference. Because one people suffered the most cruel and murderous abuse in the past, will never excuse them stealing the land, livelyhood, dignity and so much more, of another people and religion. NEVER.

Exactly Fleurpepper. It's an excuse for those on the right to continue to hammer the left. Because I don't believe that those that trot out this outdated, tired old argument are unable to understand the difference. Unless of course to them the two are the same, which amounts to their support of the destruction of the Palestinian people.

Who I’m any of these discussions is supporting oppression of the Palestinian people? No one. No one amongst my Jewish friends takes such a simplistic view either

Anniebach

Yes Iam anti semitism was rife during the Corbyn years, 100
apologies does change the fact of Abbott’s view on anti semitism,

For many many years, you have been confusin anti-semitism with anti-Zionism, and totally refuse to see and understand the difference. Because one people suffered the most cruel and murderous abuse in the past, will never excuse them stealing the land, livelyhood, dignity and so much more, of another people and religion. NEVER.

Many many more would benefit from history lessons- and understand the racism and cruelty of the Raj, British Imperialism, the concentration camps linked to such, and why so many choose to only concentrate on some forms of racism and abuse. And that the worst wrongs of the past cannot excuse what is being done to the Palestinian people today, by those who suffered so badly in the past.