I fear the rise of National Conservatism

Thanks Daisy and growstuff. I suspected as much. And now recruiting here, aligning themselves to the Conservative party. Readying themselves to field candidates at the GE?

NanaDana

This organisation is news to me, so thanks for pointing it out. I'll certainly read up on them and their views. What worries me is that we appear to be heading for (or are even already in) a power vacuum, with an impotent, inefficient Government, and a rather drab, unconvincing opposition. So yes, it's on the cards that, failing something disastrous, Labour will get in at the next G.E. , but what happens if, as seems eminently feasible, Starmer and Co. also fail to deliver? Shades of the Weimar Republic meltdown, with a so-called "strong leader" then stepping forward to "rescue the Nation from chaos"? And which group or groups will that leader blame or even demonize as being responsible for the broken economy? They always need a scapegoat. Chilling to contemplate...

Maybe at that point they’ll bring back Boris!👀

Thanks, Daisy-Anne, for drawing this to our attention. I've listened to the podcast in a growing mood of pessimism. It's the feeling that we're facing a ground-swell akin to the rise of Nazism in the 30s that makes me despair. I know there are people in this country - not a majority I hope - who will welcome the conservative and nationalist views expressed by those conference speakers which will be replayed by speakers - some of them the same speakers - at the forthcoming conference next month. I shudder.

Snap DaisyAnne.

They're mainly American and Israeli, which is why their names aren't familiar in the UK.

They've been established for a while in the US. Here's one viewpoint:

historynewsnetwork.org/article/183429

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s not entirely clear to me who ‘this lot’ are. The names on the website are almost all unknown to me, though their agenda is clear enough. I don’t wish publicity on them but I hope we hear more after the conference - particularly about the parts played by JRM and Braverman. It’s a matter of concern that in the 21st century such a movement can be formed under an apparent cloak of secrecy.

I think a lot on the site comes from America. Their view has been influencing some over here (and other western countries) for some time.

growstuff

I think it goes further than that Maizie, although I agree it probably appeals to much the same cohort.

It probably does, at least to some extent.

If I ever think I couldn't be swayed in the same way, I put on "Tomorrow Belongs To Me" (Cabaret). The intended shock reminds me just how easy it is to be carried off by an idea that, at the beginning, sounds like your view.

It’s not entirely clear to me who ‘this lot’ are. The names on the website are almost all unknown to me, though their agenda is clear enough. I don’t wish publicity on them but I hope we hear more after the conference - particularly about the parts played by JRM and Braverman. It’s a matter of concern that in the 21st century such a movement can be formed under an apparent cloak of secrecy.

I find it strangely ironic that their conference should be promoted by an organisation with 'Burke' in its name. The last thing that Burke supported was revolution and change. But that is what this lot have achieved so far, radical change with Brexit.

I think it goes further than that Maizie, although I agree it probably appeals to much the same cohort.

MerylStreep

DaisyAnne
You’re worried about the word National. Does that apply to the SNP The Scottish National Party.

I doubt if it's just the word "National" which worried DaisyAnne. I suspect it's more about the policies and the people backing the movement.

It's a follow on from the Leave campaigning, isn't it?

Much the same people and much the same ethos. That the UK should be defended from foreign influences and stand proudly independent.

Not only that, but it seems to promise to defend 'ordinary people' against the pernicious influence of woke liberals who seek to destroy British values and culture. And to rewrite British history.

I think it's about keeping the Leave voters onside...

I think it's chilling.

how separate are they from the ERG- or are they ERG +?

That was in reply to Daisy.

DaisyAnne
You’re worried about the word National. Does that apply to the SNP The Scottish National Party.

That’s so very true. It worries me very much that senior Conservative politicians are speaking at this conference, which implies that these people are allied to the Conservative party. The whole thing seems to have been kept somewhat under the radar, if the lack of knowledge of so many here - me included - is anything to go by. It’s important that we know what is said at the conference, and by whom. This organisation must not be allowed to succeed here.

This organisation is news to me, so thanks for pointing it out. I'll certainly read up on them and their views. What worries me is that we appear to be heading for (or are even already in) a power vacuum, with an impotent, inefficient Government, and a rather drab, unconvincing opposition. So yes, it's on the cards that, failing something disastrous, Labour will get in at the next G.E. , but what happens if, as seems eminently feasible, Starmer and Co. also fail to deliver? Shades of the Weimar Republic meltdown, with a so-called "strong leader" then stepping forward to "rescue the Nation from chaos"? And which group or groups will that leader blame or even demonize as being responsible for the broken economy? They always need a scapegoat. Chilling to contemplate...

Germanshepherdsmum

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Daisy. I confess I hadn’t heard of it. I have listened and I have looked at the website. As you know, I’m a Conservative (though not a party member) and I’m also a Christian. These people are seemingly a mixture of academics and religious zealots. I could imagine Hitler trotting this stuff out. It’s frightening. They are as far from traditional Conservatives as I can imagine. The new National Front in subtle camouflage? I sincerely hope they don’t gain a foothold - why on earth are JRM and Braverman speaking at their conference? They should be kicked out of the Conservative party.

I think it's the word "National" that we have to watch. The party Adolf Hitler and the group around him (an early Think Tank?) used as a vehicle for power and dictatorship was the National Socialist Party - it was a long way from socialism! Many such despotisms use religion too.

It will be interesting to see what comes from this conference. I do feel that those of my friends who are Conservative, are closer to me and my hope for a liberal, social (not socialist) democracy than to this party which seems a long way from Conservatism. It is sad to see a party with which I have always been able to find areas of agreement, being used to attract absolutists.

The saddest thing about Nationalism is that it often starts as a vehicle for getting those suffering the most into a better position. Believing they can improve governance, the followers of these ideas end up bringing in an absolutist society, often a dictatorship.

I have just watched Marr for the second time; the first time there was too much to digest. It is truly frightening, and yet again, the union flag is being waved about by the supporters of these people.

In a non goady manner, I would love to hear the opinions of those on here who supported Brexit, are to the right of politics in their views, and who watch GB news; what do you think of this movement?

Golly DaisyAnne, this is more than a little alarming isn't it? Very 1930 - Oswald Moseley would fit right in. Yes, GSM , I am very wary of Farage. His jolly hail- fellow- well - met persona can seem appealing, but he is definitely the wolf in Grandma's bed.

I hadn't heard abut this organisation before. They are very worrying.

Thank you for the heads up DaisyAnne

Thank you for drawing attention to this DaisyAnne.
I had read about this organisation which I think is very concerning, and of which many are unaware.

I would urge viewing the podcast by Andre Marr which is extremely informative.

I think people need to be more than alert. It's very frightening. People on the left, centre or indeed the "traditional" Conservative right need to up their game.

I have just gone to the link, some of the articles are chilling. Lots of anti abortion, anti trans, anti non Christian beliefs. What a collection of dreadful people will be in that room. I wonder if it will be reported on MSM, if Starmer was attending an ultra left meeting somewhere we can be sure it would. It is good to be aware of and alert to these movements.

It hasn’t so far, but I’m wary of him nevertheless.