Joe Biden

Be afraid, be very afraid, not least of the fact that things could change in a heartbeat leaving President Kamala Harris in charge who up till now has signally failed to shine, showing herself as verbally inept as her boss.
Visiting the Demilitarised Zone in 2022, she managed to confuse North and South Korea, praising the “important relationship” and “alliance” between Washington and Pyongyang. She was widely mocked after appearing in a saccharine promo video for space exploration alongside a group of winsome youngsters, who, it emerged, were professional child actors who’d auditioned for the roles.
She “don’t impressa me much”

The legal phrase is ‘age discrimination’, not ageism. Refer to your earlier quote.

Do they not need to define what ageism is before they make a law about it?

Never mind, let's move on.

It seems I have to explain to you the law which you quoted to me. I’m not interested in defining what ageism is, merely in the application of the relevant law, so I leave you to ponder it.

You are making up hypothetical scenarios.

I'm trying to define what ageism is. Which I thought would have been of interest on a forum for older people.

Seems not. And no, you don't have to point me at anything.

You are making up hypothetical scenarios. Do I have to point you yet again in the direction of the objective standard? That requires objective consideration of suitability of candidate for role.

If people decide to dissemble in an effort to not be accused of breaking the law, that doesn't mean they are not doing something illegal.

I can't believe I'm having this conversation with a lawyer - more fool me! 🤣

Relevant ageism I’d say tho.
This isn’t an old guy stacking shelves at B&Q we’re talking about.

They wouldn’t say that though would they? Employers aren’t daft. But look at the man, look at his frailty. By an objective standard, is he a suitable candidate for this fixed-term contract?

And...

If someone says they're not employing somebody just because they are old and might go senile, that is ageism.

Isn't it?

Alleged discrimination is not against the law if it can be objectively justified. You quoted the statute yourself.

Germanshepherdsmum

I know all that volver, coals to Newcastle. I suggest you consider what I actually said rather than twisting my words. Also the meaning and significance of the words ‘which cannot be objectively justified’ in your quote.

If something can be objectively justified them it not ageism, is it?

If someone says they're not employing somebody just because they are old and might go senile, that is ageism

Neither Attenborough or Farage are aiming to be POTUS.

Big difference.

I know all that volver, coals to Newcastle. I suggest you consider what I actually said rather than twisting my words. Also the meaning and significance of the words ‘which cannot be objectively justified’ in your quote.

I am inclined to think that all politicians should have an enforcable upper age limit, but as there isn't one, I shall be charitable here.

Perhaps President Biden does not feel he can in decency leave the ship of state to the tender mercies of Mr. Trump, whose supporters could be stupid enough to vote him back into power.

President Biden could also rightly feel that wit war in the Ukraine, civil war in Sudan, the Middle East in its usual turmoil, as is more than Sudan in Africa, and China casting lustful eyes om Taiwan that now is not the right time to stand down.

If he becomes President again, what is the worst that can happen? The vice-president having to step in if Biden becomes seriously ill or dies while in office, might be a very good thing.

Hesitant as I am to argue with a lawyer...

Age discrimination occurs when someone is unfairly disadvantaged for reasons relating to their age which cannot be objectively justified. It has been illegal in the UK since 2006, with the law now incorporated into the Equality Act 2010. People of all ages can be affected, including younger and older workers, and the growing number of older people in employment makes this group a key focus.

www.cipd.co.uk/knowledge/fundamentals/emp-law/age-discrimination/factsheet#gref

Exercise of common sense has yet to become illegal volver.

he is good as a puppet, controlled by the rest of them

That would be illegal in the UK.

I think any employer would think seriously about giving someone a very important job when the contract is effectively until the applicant is 86. It's not ageism, it's common sense.

maddyone

I remain concerned about how he might be in another five years, should decide to run and win. I remain extremely concerned about Trump running and winning again. Surely there is someone else in the 350 million or so population of America who is a tad younger, has energy and enthusiasm, and some governmental experience.

Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you!!

It's quite astonishing.

I remain concerned about how he might be in another five years, should decide to run and win. I remain extremely concerned about Trump running and winning again. Surely there is someone else in the 350 million or so population of America who is a tad younger, has energy and enthusiasm, and some governmental experience.

I remain to be convinced that he is still completely capable of doing his job. Having the best medics around 24/7 doesn’t prevent mental decline. I was listening to a commentator yesterday who has spent a lot of time around Biden. He said that his speech is noticeably slower now than it was four years ago. Which is not surprising but it’s a worrying observation. Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to like delegating much to his VP.

You, yesterday : He's far too old and worryingly doddery to hold that post.

Yes Sparklefizz I’ve seen JB appear to look ‘somewhat lost’ for a few moments and I wonder how he will be in 2 or 3 years time. Have you noticed that sometimes when he comes on stage to speak he does a little run? I believe this is to show he is not old ! I have to admit when I am out with my DS I walk faster than normal, so he doesn’t think I am slowing down - ridiculous isn’t it?

Whoever runs as a candidate has to be very rich, so that knocks out many people who would like to put themselves forward.

I think a lot of us respect David Attenborough, he has been on tv all my life. I believe he has now stopped travelling to the far flung places in the world and he just does the voice overs now for the latest tv series. It will be the end of an era when he dies.