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The Guardian has apologised after a cartoon depicting BBC chairman Richard Sharp was criticised as antisemitic.

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Grammaretto Sun 30-Apr-23 09:07:48

I'm bemused by Martin Rowson's apology.
Thoughtless? Really?
He is so infected by "unconscious bias" that it has left him entirely oblivious and whatever the opposite is of empathetic.

Has Richard Sharp commented?

Pooter Sun 30-Apr-23 09:07:21

I specifically said that [ Quote] "CERTAIN SECTIONS of those who consider themselves to be generally liberal-left progressives" often hold, largely unconscious, anti-Semitic views. This cartoon getting published in the Guardian, and some of its initial defenders when it did first appear are evidence suggestive of that.

It was not an attack on the liberal left more widely, and therefore you needn't take it on any level personally.

Shanie Sun 30-Apr-23 09:04:07

But are you Jewish to understand?

MaizieD Sun 30-Apr-23 09:02:31

It's a cartoon. Cartoons show people with exaggerated features. It's anti Richard Sharp.

I don't think it's antisemitic any more than Diane Abbot's letter was anti semitic.

nanna8 Sun 30-Apr-23 08:57:08

Doesn’t surprise me with The Guardian. Horrible paper.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Apr-23 08:54:49

pooter, need I repeat, those of us left of centre do not largely have

"Reflects unconscious left of centre anti-Semitism"

Please stop smearing me and others on the basis of a cartoon. If feels very offensive for someone brought up and lived a long life as very aware of the history and horrors of anti-semitism.

ixion Sun 30-Apr-23 08:50:51

I didn't even realise he was Jewish.
Should I have done?

Galaxy Sun 30-Apr-23 08:33:45

Yes I knew in many of the complaints about it that the cartoon had been cropped, and that's another debate. It is anti semitic in my view. However I think I disagree about apologies not making a difference, where does that leave us if they dont.

Shanie Sun 30-Apr-23 08:30:43

Liar [in the article].

Just because Boris' fat bum is in the picture the main focus is the little man with the pig, octopus, box etc. and what they mean when depicting a Jewish person.

Pooter Sun 30-Apr-23 08:27:19

That it was one drawn in the first place, two published having been seen and approved by Guardian editorial staff, three remained on the website for I think about 15 hours in total, and four the anaemic nature of the apology that was issued, containing elements of non-apology (of the 'We are sorry if this cartoon upset some readers' genre).

The isssue of this cartoon, Diane Abbott's recent letter etc is about largely unconscious, anti-Jewish bias by certain sections of those who consider themselves to be generally liberal-left progressives. Rowson himself said that he didn't realise that the cartoon was anti-Semitic until the matter was explicitly brought to his attention, and presumably the Guardian likewise.



Reflects unconscious left of centre anti-Semitism

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Apr-23 08:25:29

Rowson's statement on Twitter:

www.martinrowson.com

if you red in denial it would appear the image that I referenced by GB news was cropped (surprise, surprise) so we didn't see the whole image, just mainly the face: the complete cartoon referenced other matters..

I still feel the same however.

Stormystar Sun 30-Apr-23 08:23:43

We all reveal our heart and minds attitudes through our speech. Publications, with considerable deliberation, expose their foundational Ethos, I’m unsurprised and disgusted by the Guardians cartoon.

Casdon Sun 30-Apr-23 08:18:58

I doubt any decent person would support any newspaper publishing an anti-Semitic cartoon.
I’m with Galaxy though regarding Dianne Abbott’s letter, surely you weren’t seriously suggesting that the Observer shouldn’t have published something which was written by a politician and displayed their prejudices Monica?

Gala Sun 30-Apr-23 08:15:26

Drawn by cartoonist Martin Rowson

Foxygloves Sun 30-Apr-23 08:14:46

vegansrock

Well, to be fair , they took it down pretty quickly once it had been noted, but agreed, shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place.

It seems that in some areas it is deemed “enough” to retract a statement as Diane Abbott did or take down an offensive cartoon such as this.
But it isn’t
These things should not have been published or expressed in the first place.
The offence has even caused and the damage done. No apology can turn the clock back and pretend it never happened.

Grammaretto Sun 30-Apr-23 08:11:53

I'm afraid I didn't see it in the Guardian but am equally disgusted by the image and would have reported it had I known.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Apr-23 08:06:15

I agree Galaxy. I hesitated before giving the reference even but believe things should "outed".

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Apr-23 08:05:15

I missed the GB news bit attributing it to Rosen. Disgusting. they know exactly what they were doing! Now that is anti-semitic!

Galaxy Sun 30-Apr-23 08:04:45

I dont think I am annoyed with the Observer though for publishing diane Abbott s letter, I think it would have been worse to try and hide it so to speak.
I left the guardian or rather it left me years ago.

Iam64 Sun 30-Apr-23 08:01:59

Like Wyllow3, I’m a leftie but I’m not anti semitic. It’s shocking that this cartoon could be drawn, never mind published. Casual antisemitism is so deep rooted that it often goes denied or unnoticed. As shown on many discussions on gransnet

Shanie Sun 30-Apr-23 07:54:57

The image is disgusting, right down to the vomiting pig. It stinks because The Guardian is so virtuous and up itself when it comes to criticising the reporting of racism in rival newspapers. Sorry I am appalled.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Apr-23 07:47:30

This is the cartoon: I'm inclined to agree
www.gbnews.com/news/guardian-apology-racism-anti-semitism-jews-cartoon

However being a leftie and not anti-semitic I'm a bit puzzled by your last sentence.

kircubbin2000 Sun 30-Apr-23 07:43:35

GB news have put a foot in it by saying the cartoon was by Michael Rosen.

vegansrock Sun 30-Apr-23 07:41:20

Well, to be fair , they took it down pretty quickly once it had been noted, but agreed, shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place.

M0nica Sun 30-Apr-23 07:36:54

The ex Chairman of the BBC is Jewish. The Guradian published a cartoon showing him withexaggerated features and carrying a puppet of Rishi Sunak.

One Jewish group said the cartoon fell squarely into an antisemitic traditionand that it was similar to other images which have depicted Jews with outsized, grotesque features, often in conjunction with money and power.

How many people at The Guardian saw this cartoon before it was published and did it not occur to any of them that the cartoon was anti-semitic? What about the cartoonist didn't it occur to him as he planned and drew it, and he would have given several hours of his mind to it, that it was anti-semitic?

In a week that has also seen Diane Abbot's anti-semitic letter to the Observer (why did they publish it? Couldn't they see it was anti-semitic?). What is it about the political left that cannot recognise anti-semitism when they see it?

In each of these cases in the last week, this racism has been egregious, not subtle and taking people quietly from behind. But leaping up and down and waving flags and no one on either paper saw a problem with the letter or the cartoon.

Would The Guardian have published this cartoon if the BBC Chairman had been Afro-Caribbean or The Observer published a letter describing racism as merely a prejudice? I rather does it.

So what is it that makes the left and their press so blind and cloth-eared to anti-semitism?