Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

Germanshepherdsmum

They have travelled through several safe countries MayBee. Lastly France.

They don’t legally have to stay in the first safe country they arrive at, though.

Chocolatelovinggran

But that's secondary, surely Siope, to his real job as primate, as priest? Other members of the H of L are not called upon to anoint the king (!) or to preach. His area of independent expertise might just be moral arbiter.

I don’t think so. I think while he is sitting as a Lord, his job is to fulfil the functions of that role.

I imagine every member of the House of Lords, spiritual or temporal, would argue that their decisions are in line with their morals and beliefs, but none of them are there for that reason.

GrannyGravy13

To quote a prolific GN poster on the N & P
threads *taxation does not fund spending*

Absolutely correct, GG13 😂

But that's secondary, surely Siope, to his real job as primate, as priest? Other members of the H of L are not called upon to anoint the king (!) or to preach. His area of independent expertise might just be moral arbiter.

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

Dinahmo

I have just looked up figures for countries accepting refugees. The top 10 ranges from Iran with 840k through Poland with 1.21 million, Russian Federation with1.45 million, Germany 2.2 million and the highest is Turkey with 3.67 million. Amongst the list are Ethiopia, Bangladesh, India, Uganda and Pakistan.

And the UK is complaining about 364,501 refugees, asylum seekers and stateless people as at November 2022.
The French figures (for 2021) were 499,914.

But look at the size of those countries compared to us!! I wish people would stop making out this country has not welcomed people because we have and for centuries.

It’s not a bad thing at all to pull up the drawbridge every now and then and look after the population we already have before allowing others in. It’s basic housekeeping! I am sure we all feed our families first before feeding everybody else in the street.

When did you last look at the population density in Germany? Germany takes far more asylum seekers per head of existing population and hectare than the UK does.

I last looked today actually at the ONS figures. We are just under twice as crowded as Germany (232/km2) while England is (429/km2). We are the most densely populated nation in Europe. The UK is also the most crowded large country in Europe. (271/km2).

www.worldatlas.com/articles/european-countries-by-population-density.html
We aren’t.

growstuff

Primrose53

Dinahmo

I have just looked up figures for countries accepting refugees. The top 10 ranges from Iran with 840k through Poland with 1.21 million, Russian Federation with1.45 million, Germany 2.2 million and the highest is Turkey with 3.67 million. Amongst the list are Ethiopia, Bangladesh, India, Uganda and Pakistan.

And the UK is complaining about 364,501 refugees, asylum seekers and stateless people as at November 2022.
The French figures (for 2021) were 499,914.

But look at the size of those countries compared to us!! I wish people would stop making out this country has not welcomed people because we have and for centuries.

It’s not a bad thing at all to pull up the drawbridge every now and then and look after the population we already have before allowing others in. It’s basic housekeeping! I am sure we all feed our families first before feeding everybody else in the street.

When did you last look at the population density in Germany? Germany takes far more asylum seekers per head of existing population and hectare than the UK does.

I last looked today actually at the ONS figures. We are just under twice as crowded as Germany (232/km2) while England is (429/km2). We are the most densely populated nation in Europe. The UK is also the most crowded large country in Europe. (271/km2).

Richard North in his blog Turbulent Times commented that in 2020 the Uk was the third biggest contributor to UN humanitarian appeals in Africa. In 2022 the Uk dropped its contributions by 55 percent. Chad has apparently suffered a lot. This drop in contributions is due to the foreign aid budget being apportioned to pay for the asylum seekers here.

They have travelled through several safe countries MayBee. Lastly France.

mumofmadboys

Sparklefizz I would happily pay more taxes if immigrants could be better cared for. Likewise to improve the NHS

I sure wouldn’t.
I have little enough as it is thanks very much.

Oh when the saints, come marching in, when the saints come marching in 🎼🎼😄

😇 here’s another.

Germanshepherdsmum

People who are already in a safe country are not desperate. I would not be willing to pay additional taxes to support them.

4/10 people that arrive here in boats have travelled from Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Eritrea and Sudan. I don’t know much about Eritrea but I don’t regard the other countries as particularly safe countries. And, in the case of the people from Afghanistan, many of them are people that we badly let down when we left the country. I wonder how many of them are people that worked for us but were just left to find their own way of finding safety? I’m ashamed of the way we just walked away from that country. Still, they can always go to Rwanda. Mind you, what would the government do if they were no longer able to blame these people for everything?

Siope

I’d pay more too. Off to polish my halo now.

Better that than trying to blame the problems of this country on desperate people who make up just half of one percent of the population, rather than the government decisions which are the real cause.

Totally agree Siope.

Oreo

It’s expected of Welby, to say ‘welcome to all, we are all the family of man’ and such stuff.Easy to say isn’t it?
He has no idea how to deal with this situation.

The Church are very good at saying things aren’t they? Our village has a lady vicar. She lives alone in a large 5 bed vicarage. Not long ago she had a get together at the Rectory and was particularly keen on getting non church members to come along. A neighbour of mine went and he said she kept saying how we should all welcome the boat people and it would be great if we all took in people from other countries. He decided this wasn’t for him and quietly left.

The next day she turned up with a piece of cake which she called a “peace offering” and said had she done anything to offend him. He said he didn’t agree with what she said and asked how many people she had taken in. She didn’t answer and just said “enjoy the cake.”🤣🤣

Give my halo a quick polish while you’re at it please, Siope as I’ve run out of halo polish and the shops are shut. I quite agree with your last post and you put it very well. 😇

People who are already in a safe country are not desperate. I would not be willing to pay additional taxes to support them.

To quote a prolific GN poster on the N & P
threads taxation does not fund spending

I’d pay more too. Off to polish my halo now.

Better that than trying to blame the problems of this country on desperate people who make up just half of one percent of the population, rather than the government decisions which are the real cause.

:37mumofmadboys

Sparklefizz I would happily pay more taxes if immigrants could be better cared for. Likewise to improve the NHS

Virtue signalling 😇

Chocolatelovinggran

It's not the job of the Archbishop of Canterbury to draw up laws. His job is to speak out for the morality of such laws. He is following a long and honourable Christian tradition ( see Bonhoeffer et al).

Actually, as a member of the Second or Upper House of Parliament his role is to:

- make laws
- check and challenge the actions of the government, and
- provide a forum of independent expertise

The House of Lords Chamber spends about 60% of its time on legislation; the other 40% is spent on scrutiny – questioning Government and debating issues and policy.

Source: Role and work of the House of Lords, UK Parliament website.

Sparklefizz I would happily pay more taxes if immigrants could be better cared for. Likewise to improve the NHS

It's not the job of the Archbishop of Canterbury to draw up laws. His job is to speak out for the morality of such laws. He is following a long and honourable Christian tradition ( see Bonhoeffer et al).

Absolutely wwm, if that’s what it takes.

Quite, Sparklefizz. When we don’t even pay enough tax to keep the NHS going, why on earth should we pay more to look after people who choose to come here with no means of support but do not have to because they could perfectly well settle in another safe country and keep the £££ they have paid to smugglers?

So you support the government breaking international law?