Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

V3 also you do understand that for every student family housed in accommodation, there is one less unit available for the very long queue of homeless families already living here?

Germanshepherdsmum

So Casdon = everyone else?

I’ve clicked on your very helpful link, which enables one to look at data for individual years.

Here’s a link for you in return - enjoy.
barrowcadbury.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/understanding-the-rise-in-channel-crossings-october-22-1.pdf

Thank you for posting that informative link.

Right, that's clear then.

Let's make no attempt to ameliorate anything unless it will pay off all the National Debt at one fell swoop. It's not worth it.

Also of course we still have the problem of grossly inadequate healthcare, housing supply and huge price inflation.

Also the energy sector is holding the country to ransom… that is your specialty?

I'm loving this.

It kind of goes: "Here is my belief"

Well here are some facts that disprove your beliefs.

"Well what about x?"

Here are some facts that disprove x as well

"But I know what I believe!!"

Some days it becomes clear how we've ended up in the mess we're in.

Just looking at the national debt….

But greater than zero and not a drain on resources. Which people have been wittering on about since this thread started.

If you think £37.4 Bn is peanuts.. are you Michelle Mone?

Huge net contributors to the universities, certainly.

£37.4 Bn peanuts

Germanshepherdsmum

Students, yes - but we were talking about their dependants. I know only too well how many foreign students our best universities attract - when my son was at the LSE there was only one other British student on his course. They were predominantly from China, Hong Kong and other parts of Asia. The LSE benefits enormously from the higher fees and as the students he knew came from wealthy families the local economy did well too.

Even when taking into account dependants and the cost to public services, which it estimates at £4.4bn, the study says international students are a huge net contributor to the UK economy, providing a total net benefit of £37.4bn.

((sigh))

This is from the article.

😊

Germanshepherdsmum

None to my knowledge. All young. If you read my post again you will see that I was not talking about dependants but responding to the link to the article about foreign students.

That's what I initially understood, but I was reading it in the context of other posts and was a tad confused.

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

volver3

maddyone

volver thanks for that

However I wasn’t actually talking about dependents being supported financially by the British government, but it’s good to know that they need a certain amount of money to support themselves, although the amounts mentioned don’t seem large and possibly wouldn’t support them completely. However, you will notice I mentioned infrastructure meaning housing, schools for their children (which we do pay for) health care (which we do pay for) use of public transport or the many pot holed roads, increased traffic meaning increased pollution, and so on. There is certainly a cost to the British government although of course students buy food and other items which adds to the economy and they pay fees to the universities which helps fund them. Obviously it’s multi faceted. But our crumbling and inadequate infrastructure means that this policy is being pursued without proper thought as to the consequences on the people who are already here, and in my opinion is misguided, until or unless, proper facilities are put in place to accommodate all these extra people.

To borrow a line from James O'Brien...

Oh.

www.theguardian.com/education/2023/may/16/international-students-boosted-uk-economy-by-42bn-in-20212-study?CMP=share_btn_tw

That link is well worth reading. Thanks for posting it.

None to my knowledge. All young. If you read my post again you will see that I was not talking about dependants but responding to the link to the article about foreign students.

Anniel

I have read all the posts here and there seems no point in trying to make time to get involved with those posters who view the world quite differently from the ordinary msn or woman on the street. We have irreconcilable differences which no statistics or clever attempts to change minds will work. My experience of life is completely different from some people here. So it will be a relief to some of you that I have nothing more to say on this difference about our core beliefs. We will wait and see as Mr Asquith once said.

I don't live on the street, but I'm fairly ordinary.

Germanshepherdsmum

Students, yes - but we were talking about their dependants. I know only too well how many foreign students our best universities attract - when my son was at the LSE there was only one other British student on his course. They were predominantly from China, Hong Kong and other parts of Asia. The LSE benefits enormously from the higher fees and as the students he knew came from wealthy families the local economy did well too.

How many of them had dependants with them?

My son is near the end of an MSc at a prestigious university. I know that a number of the students are from overseas and paid three times the fee he did. I don't have the impression that many of those students have dependants, but I'll ask my son.

Students, yes - but we were talking about their dependants. I know only too well how many foreign students our best universities attract - when my son was at the LSE there was only one other British student on his course. They were predominantly from China, Hong Kong and other parts of Asia. The LSE benefits enormously from the higher fees and as the students he knew came from wealthy families the local economy did well too.

Just wondering at which point in the PhD process one stops being an ordinary woman in the street? #askingforafriend

maddyone

volver thanks for that

However I wasn’t actually talking about dependents being supported financially by the British government, but it’s good to know that they need a certain amount of money to support themselves, although the amounts mentioned don’t seem large and possibly wouldn’t support them completely. However, you will notice I mentioned infrastructure meaning housing, schools for their children (which we do pay for) health care (which we do pay for) use of public transport or the many pot holed roads, increased traffic meaning increased pollution, and so on. There is certainly a cost to the British government although of course students buy food and other items which adds to the economy and they pay fees to the universities which helps fund them. Obviously it’s multi faceted. But our crumbling and inadequate infrastructure means that this policy is being pursued without proper thought as to the consequences on the people who are already here, and in my opinion is misguided, until or unless, proper facilities are put in place to accommodate all these extra people.

To borrow a line from James O'Brien...

Oh.

www.theguardian.com/education/2023/may/16/international-students-boosted-uk-economy-by-42bn-in-20212-study?CMP=share_btn_tw

It wasn't actually outside, it was..

Oh, never mind...

Germanshepherdsmum

And that’s not an invitation to tell us again about the outside lav.

Spoil sport...

And that’s not an invitation to tell us again about the outside lav.

Shoebox you say?

Luxury!!

Not unless you lived in a shoebox.

Germanshepherdsmum

Ordinary woman on the street, you? With your PhD and all?

But nearly everyone I know has a PhD...

My mum worked on a packing line and my dad valeted cars in a garage. Grandad dug holes for the council.

Does that make me more credible?