Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

Honestly! As a lawyer you know you shouldn’t be asking such questions, and encourage international law breaking.

The U.K. is part of a community of nations signed up to and agreeing humanitarian assistance to those seeking sanctuary.

Everyone has the right to seek and enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. The 1951 UN Convention relating to the Status of Refugees elaborates upon this right. It provides an international meaning of 'refugee', which is a person in another country at risk of persecution in her, his or their own country.

There are a number of laws both international and domestic that covers asylum refugees rights, which includes someone seeking sanctuary from harm, starvation etc has a right to choose the country in which they would like to seek sanctuary.

There is only a small minority choosing the U.K. - the vast majority choose to stay in the country “next” to their own.
These countries are generally much poorer than any in the western world.
Because if this I think we have a duty to assist these countries in sheltering the refugees.

Whitewavemark2

This 100%

“We are being asked to ban claims of asylum because of the method of arrival, rather than the merits of the claim." ~

Lord Purvis

Lib-dem.

Could those arriving in boats from France not claim asylum there?

The experience in my family relocating from England to Scotland is very different. My niece who was born, bred and educated in England was successful in getting a job in a hospital in Scotland. She has recently been promoted to hospital manager. My DS moved to be near her and has been accepted into the local community and has made good friends there. They're very happy and I'm happy for them, it's just a long drive to visit them!

Cracks in the Tory wall

“Churchill would be turning in his grave if he saw that we were taking the UK out of the processes of international law”

Conservative MP @CSkidmoreUK slams the Illegal Migration Bill, telling @Peston it has “overpromise and underdeliver written all over it”.

And this

Conservative Lord Farmer said:

"Two-fifths of people think stopping the small boats is more important than tackling NHS waiting lists."

We know this isn't true, don't let them divide us!

This 100%

“We are being asked to ban claims of asylum because of the method of arrival, rather than the merits of the claim." ~

Lord Purvis

Lib-dem.

paddyann54

For "British" read English FleurpepperScottish values are very different .WE need immigration, people are welcome here and its rare to hear the bigotted hate rhetoric that we hear on the right wing ENGLISH media .

Do you really need emigrants and does it apply to English people?
I can give quite a few examples of people doing their further education in Scotland but on leaving Uni could not break through the glass ceiling and get jobs in Scotland.
I'm not talking off the top of my head DH was a member of one of the Scots Royal colleges and I have Scots friends who wanted to go back to live there no job was available even though their training had taken part in Scots Uni's..

For "British" read English FleurpepperScottish values are very different .WE need immigration, people are welcome here and its rare to hear the bigotted hate rhetoric that we hear on the right wing ENGLISH media .

I think you’re twisting what was said on another thread fp.

The fact that Welby is being attacked by some media proves his criticism of the awful Bill is spot on. But I suspect Archbishops are a diminished power in the UK given the fall in church attendance. I just hope the Lords can wreck the Bill.

As said on another thread 'British culture (values) are not important'

apparently.

I saw the DMs front page this morning and thought how skewed their rhetoric is - O’Brien is so right.

*James O'Brien
There’s a grim inevitability about the forces behind Brexit turning their guns on the Archbishop of Canterbury. It follows attacks on the rule of law, academic freedom, judicial independence & parliamentary democracy. One wonders what ‘British values’ they actually hold dear*

For those who seem a tad unclear as to Labours migration policy, I think Starmers speech to the CBI outlined Labours policy in some detail.

Basically it is a much more pragmatic approach than the Tory policy.

Labour acknowledges the need for immigrant skilled worker by pointing to different industries where skilled labour is badly lacking, although overall Labour is keen to reduce the U.K. reliance on migrant Labour where possible, by training and investment in new technology.

Starmer recognises the stupidity of putting a figure for migrants to the U.K. as the need will change year on year.

Whilst the Tories have said that they want to put British workers first, there is no policy behind the rhetoric.

With regard to the small boats and Rwanda. Labour will scrap this draconian policy and instead use the millions of pounds being spent - on funding the national crime agency to tackle the smuggling gangs. Labour would also set up a clear safe route for those seeking asylum, and ensure that those entering the U.K. are dealt with swiftly.

Labour would end the rhetoric of hate and othering.

Casdon

Smileless2012

Do you think so Ilovecheese when there's so much criticism and opposition? If he does, he'll appear extremely weak IMO.

This is the Lords not the Commons!

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Smileless2012

Do you think so Ilovecheese when there's so much criticism and opposition? If he does, he'll appear extremely weak IMO.

This is the Lords not the Commons!

Well yes that's true Primrose I just can't understand why does nothing to improve his image.

Smileless2012

Do you think so Ilovecheese when there's so much criticism and opposition? If he does, he'll appear extremely weak IMO.

He IS extremely weak! 😉

Do you think so Ilovecheese when there's so much criticism and opposition? If he does, he'll appear extremely weak IMO.

I am guessing that Starmer will abstain rather than oppose?

The King, the Archbishop of Canterbury and former head of the Army condemn Braverman’s bill.

Voices condemning it from every side of the HoL.