Mad as a box of badgers

They have an idea of the family circa 1950s. - listen to Kruger’s speech. They reject any idea of progressiveness in relationships. There is racism, misogynistic ideas and LGBTQ and divorce is frowned on.

Ditto abortion.

ronib

Don’t forget it’s a group of fairly well heeled, well educated and well connected young people who are pushing the NatCon agenda through. My son is of their generation and he suggested awhile ago that his generation is rejecting the values of the woke, anything goes left wing. (Not that he is a member).
The NatCons won’t be going away.
Progressive is very value laden.

There are certainly young people who attended, but it is undoubtedly very Trumpian in its values, including the religious right, but in my opinion the U.K. voter is nothing like American voter on the right.

Trump and family values are a complete mismatch. I don’t think NatCons are Trumpian but follow basic Christian principles of putting the family first, take personal responsibility for your children and bring faith back into your life. Well it might work for some but not everyone. Also an attempt to put boundaries back into society? Some people don’t cope well with a free fall society. Others clearly do.

I’d suggest you read the thread on Mumsnet about national conservatism ronib. Type those words into the search bar and it will come up. Suffice to say the title can’t be repeated on Gransnet.

The NAT CONS are a Trumpian Republican organisation, they have been around for a number of years and have had regular conferences attended by American far right as well as European far righters.

And no U.K. voters would not take well to the push of Christianity never have never will. It isn’t how things work in this country.

“British society is one of the most secularised in the world and in many surveys determining religious beliefs of the population agnosticism, nontheism, atheism, secular humanism, and non-affiliation are views shared by large percentages of Britons.”

I actually have read the full speech about 'ideal family', it's more nuanced than being presented here. Much of it made me smile, something about undoing decades of economics issues (as if the Tories havent been in power for most of that) but there are complex issues around marriage that are worth discussing. Theres something vaguely uncomfortable about people cheering on something which is frequently disastrous for the vulnerable members of our society.

Galaxy

I actually have read the full speech about 'ideal family', it's more nuanced than being presented here. Much of it made me smile, something about undoing decades of economics issues (as if the Tories havent been in power for most of that) but there are complex issues around marriage that are worth discussing. Theres something vaguely uncomfortable about people cheering on something which is frequently disastrous for the vulnerable members of our society.

Can you do a link please? 🙂

An interesting insight from OpenDemocracy.
www.opendemocracy.net/en/inside-national-conservatism-conference-suella-braverman-immigration-wind-farms-rifles/
In their words, no shortage of whackadoodlery! (what a perfectly descriptive word that is, I’ve added it to my vocabulary).

Yes it was noticeable that despite their insistence on liberalism and free speech etc, they stopped reporters from interviewing the audience.

I have just tried to link WW but am useless and on my phone. There is an edited version of his speech in the spectator. I dont agree with much he says, and he doesnt mention gay or lesbian parenting at all in the edited version, but there is something about the two parent thing that does need unpicking, for those (generally women) who arent married/on their own, and particularly those without the access to all the benefits that being middle classes brings, then solo parenting frequently means negative consequences for those women and children, and of course provides a lovely escape route for some men.

To be fair I have heard much more eloquent advocates of this position.

Are on their own, my over lengthy post should say

I’ll try to find it - thanks

Whitewavemark2

They have an idea of the family circa 1950s. - listen to Kruger’s speech. They reject any idea of progressiveness in relationships. There is racism, misogynistic ideas and LGBTQ and divorce is frowned on.

It didn't exist. Only in magazines.

Whitewavemark2

Yes it was noticeable that despite their insistence on liberalism and free speech etc, they stopped reporters from interviewing the audience.

The American concept of liberalism is different from in the UK.

Let's remind posters of the Principles of National Conservatism

www.theamericanconservative.com/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

And worry about people who approve of them...

Doesn’t seem as if James Orr, UK Edmund Burke Foundation, has signed up to the document as his signature is missing.
Does that mean the UK has a different set of principles ?

I dont particularly approve or disapprove, I can cope with people expressing those views.

Mamie

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree that fewer people should go to university. For many it seems to be an experience to which they are entitled - hence we have many graduates of inferior universities and/or with inferior degrees who cannot find employment and will probably never pay off their student loans.

Do you have any evidence for this GSM? Because if you haven't I am afraid it comes across as pure snobbery.

You could not make it up, could you?

DD1 chose to g to a red brick Uni- because the course there was up-to-date, well organised, with young and motivated Lecturers- whereas the traditional so called 'better' Unis had old lectured, bored with doing the same stuff all the time, carying around pages of typed materials yellowed with age.

And never regretted it. Pure snobbery from many.

You can do a degree in Beckham Studies.

I might apply.

You most certainly can not.

From Wiki:

In 2000, Staffordshire University received negative press coverage when a module on the sociological importance of football which had been designed for students taking sociology, sports science, or media studies was portrayed as a "degree in David Beckham Studies". A professor for the department stressed that the course would not focus on Beckham, and that the module examines "the rise of football from its folk origins in the 17th century, to the power it's become and the central place it occupies in British culture, and indeed world culture, today"

Wasting time on the internet is offered by
Pennsylvania University

Well it’s only part of the degree in Sport, Media and Culture on offer at Staffordshire University.

But I wanted to do it.

Do you think you need to be able to play football? That requirement might disqualify me.