Strictly Cheese Sandwiches

Do your customers invite you into their homes DrWatson? How do you know how big their TVs are? How do you know these customers are claiming to be poor anyway?

Sounds like a bad case of stereotypitus - I'm not sure there's a cure.

Relative poverty in the UK is measured where households have less than 60% of contemporary median income, the threshold for a couple with no dependants is £314 per week, single person no dependants £227 .
Humanity .org is a charity working in third world countries, so obviously there poverty will be measured differently.
Poverty is still poverty though, wherever you live, and should be eradicated. How ,well no one has come up with a viable answer.

But relative and real poverty are measured within countries, depending on national wealth and status, so you can't compare UK poverty to other countries.

'Absolute poverty compares households based on a set income level. And this level varies from country to country depending on its overall economic conditions. Relative poverty is when households receive 50% less than average."

www.habitatforhumanity.org.uk/blog/2018/09/relative-absolute-poverty/

For whitewanemark2 Indeed "Poverty isn’t a competition it is a state of affairs that destroys life chances and families". BUT -- 'poverty' NOW is certainly not the post WW2 kind that I met, or Lord forbid was prevalent in earlier times.

I had a little pin money job, delivering takeaways to those 'poor' people, their several kids all seem to have mobile phones and the latest trainers, they can afford takeaways twice or more a week (all junk food), they usually have a couple of dogs and TV the size of Yorkshire.

Those quoting "poverty" should go to assorted bits if Asia, Africa and S America to see what it really means. I've helped raised funds for India (that place that can afford space missions) so country villages can have a toilet so women can use it in the night without risking going into fields and getting raped. Maybe the 'poor' here should go live in a favela (Brazil) for a while to see how they'd get on? Etc etc.

Whitewavemark2

growstuff

Michael Mosley ripped off Roy Taylor's 800 calorie diet. It was Taylor and the team from Newcastle who did the original research.

I know, and am fully aware of that, but I was trying to help doodledog

Sorry you seem to have been offended. I was merely pointing out the original research behind Mosley's 800 calorie diet. It's well known that Mosley piggybacks off other people's research and sells books. I find it helpful to dig into the theories, but maybe that's just me.

Doodledog It sounds as though the pre-diabetes is an early symptom, but your main aim should be to lose weight - in which case, calorie rather than carb restriction is the way to go.

Thanks, WWM. I have the MM book now, and am going to find recipes that I can stick with until I lose some weight, (probably for a hundred years or so ). Then I’ll have another think - one step at a time.

growstuff

Michael Mosley ripped off Roy Taylor's 800 calorie diet. It was Taylor and the team from Newcastle who did the original research.

I know, and am fully aware of that, but I was trying to help doodledog

Callistemon21

Norah

Callistemon21

growstuff

PS. I know what you mean about avocados. I love them, but probably end up throwing half away because they ripen the moment my back is turned and go black.

Don't keep them in the fridge.
You can buy avocado savers, I have a couple

The picture won't post, sorry.

We eat many avocados, never refrigerate.

We speed ripening with other fruit in a bag.

We've 1 tree, yields a few a yr. Compared to Hawaii yields of 100s.

Not Hawaii! They don't produce many avocados, none for export.
Don't they produce pineapples?

I believe Hawaii used to export most of the supply of pineapples. It seems most pineapple now come out of the Philippines?

Brother has a holiday home on HI - has avocado and mango trees.

Sorry, just read your post!

My neighbour asked if she could grown an avocado tree from a stone and was told yes, but it wouldn't produce fruit.

I lost a couple of semi-tropical plants (frangipani) last winter, should have brought them indoors but they were quite large.

Is yours in a garden bed or a pot?

Norah

Callistemon21

growstuff

PS. I know what you mean about avocados. I love them, but probably end up throwing half away because they ripen the moment my back is turned and go black.

Don't keep them in the fridge.
You can buy avocado savers, I have a couple

The picture won't post, sorry.

We eat many avocados, never refrigerate.

We speed ripening with other fruit in a bag.

We've 1 tree, yields a few a yr. Compared to Hawaii yields of 100s.

Not Hawaii! They don't produce many avocados, none for export.
Don't they produce pineapples?

Callistemon21

Is that in this country, Norah?

I'm impressed!

Yes, started from the center bit, many years ago grew it indoors until it was too tall. Then moved 10' strong tree to sheltered area.

Is that in this country, Norah?

I'm impressed!

Callistemon21

growstuff

PS. I know what you mean about avocados. I love them, but probably end up throwing half away because they ripen the moment my back is turned and go black.

Don't keep them in the fridge.
You can buy avocado savers, I have a couple

The picture won't post, sorry.

We eat many avocados, never refrigerate.

We speed ripening with other fruit in a bag.

We've 1 tree, yields a few a yr. Compared to Hawaii yields of 100s.

Michael Mosley ripped off Roy Taylor's 800 calorie diet. It was Taylor and the team from Newcastle who did the original research.

growstuff

PS. I know what you mean about avocados. I love them, but probably end up throwing half away because they ripen the moment my back is turned and go black.

Don't keep them in the fridge.
You can buy avocado savers, I have a couple

The picture won't post, sorry.

doodledog my DH has on a couple of occasions tipped into pre-diabetic territory, and each time I follow Michael Mosley 800 diet (I think). So cutting out carbs. It is hard going but works like a dream!

Once we are back on track we can the reintroduce a normal diet - not daft- but everything in moderation.

PPS. Hopefully, you have another HbA1c booked for six months. If not, ask for one and say you want to know whether your dietary changes are working. While you're at it, as for a lipid profile. If the changes really are working, you should see a decrease in your triglycerides, which will reduce your risk of a heart attack or stroke.

PS. I know what you mean about avocados. I love them, but probably end up throwing half away because they ripen the moment my back is turned and go black.

Doodledog I hate to tell you this, but you are going to have to make lifetime changes, if you don't want to be overweight or pre-diabetic again.

However, if you can knock it on the head now with some really radical changes, you might avoid damage to your pancreas.

It's too late for me. I was diagnosed with diabetes over 30 years ago, but it wasn't really explained what damage it does and knowledge about diets wasn't very good. The thinking then was that fat was the bad guy, so I avoided saturated fat (in fact, most fat) for years.

The advice then (as it is now to an extent) was to base meals on starchy carbs such as wholemeal pasta and brown rice, which I did. I was never overweight, so I didn't need to restrict calories and filled up on pasta and rice with small amounts of low fat sauce or a sprinkling of cheese. I never was a big meat eater nor had a sweet tooth. With hindsight, it's probable that it was all those carbs which pushed my blood sugar levels up to dangerous levels and did irreversible damage to my pancreas and other organs.

I've been taking medication for over 30 years, but it's the change in diet to low carb (and exercise) which has been the real gamechanger for me. The damage can't be reversed, but it can be controlled and hasn't got any worse in six years.

Professor Roy Taylor at Newcastle University is currently researching diet for people who have put their diabetes into remission after following his 800 calorie a day diet.

Doodledog

growstuff

BTW What do you mean by 450 calories? For a day? If you go that low, your body will go into shut down mode. A calorie-controlled diet should have 1000-1500 calories a day.

No. I meant the whole bowl would be about 450, and I would have half for breakfast and the rest spread out as snacks. The other meal (at about 6.00pm) would use up the rest of my intake.

I am avoiding the other things you mentioned, but can't/don't want to do that forever. I figured if I get my weight down, that in itself will cut the risk of tipping into diabetes. I am only just into the pre-diabetic range, so it's more of a warning than anything, but I will take it seriously, as I have enough health problems without that. I don't drink alcohol, but have been in the habit of drinking Nosecco-type drinks most evenings, and they are very high in sugar. I have cut that out completely, so am losing a lot of calories that way, although the scales don't seem to have noticed.

Thanks again for the tips (and you too, Norah). I will cut down on the oats and go for scrambled egg. I bought 4 avocados in my last shop to go with scrambled eggs, supposedly ripe and ready, but they are still like bullets.

You're quite welcome.

Our daughter didn't see weight shift for 2-3 weeks, keep on!

She eventually, over 8 weeks, shifted the 12 lbs. Better tummy tone as he also did easy in-home exercises (and bought shapewear). She's obviously taking her upcoming wedding seriously.

The rest of our family are ready to move along.

growstuff

BTW What do you mean by 450 calories? For a day? If you go that low, your body will go into shut down mode. A calorie-controlled diet should have 1000-1500 calories a day.

No. I meant the whole bowl would be about 450, and I would have half for breakfast and the rest spread out as snacks. The other meal (at about 6.00pm) would use up the rest of my intake.

I am avoiding the other things you mentioned, but can't/don't want to do that forever. I figured if I get my weight down, that in itself will cut the risk of tipping into diabetes. I am only just into the pre-diabetic range, so it's more of a warning than anything, but I will take it seriously, as I have enough health problems without that. I don't drink alcohol, but have been in the habit of drinking Nosecco-type drinks most evenings, and they are very high in sugar. I have cut that out completely, so am losing a lot of calories that way, although the scales don't seem to have noticed.

Thanks again for the tips (and you too, Norah). I will cut down on the oats and go for scrambled egg. I bought 4 avocados in my last shop to go with scrambled eggs, supposedly ripe and ready, but they are still like bullets.

Doodledog You might find this useful:

res.cloudinary.com/grohealth/image/upload/v1664285482/David_Unwin_Diet_Sheet.pdf

It's increasingly being accepted by NHS dieticians for diabetes and pre-diabetes and is, more or less, what I've been eating for six years and has worked.

You can do an experiment on yourself. Get a diabetes monitor. Unfortunately, you'll have to buy the test strips yourself and they're quite expensive, but it's worth doing for a few weeks.

Do a finger prick test before eating and one two hours later. They should be the same mmol/L. If the figure two hours after eating is higher, you've eaten too many carbs and the body can't deal with them, so you need to cut them out. Ideally, you should have a reading no higher than 7-9 mmol/L after eating and 7 before eating.

When you've found food which suits you, you don't need to test that food again.

Quoting myself: "Our daughter, getting married soon, limited her carbs to 80 a day to shift an extra 12 lbs. She's small (size 8), not as tall as her sisters, weight shows a bit more across her tummy. Shapewear is her friend."

She's not overweight, she just has a tummy and wishes to appear her best at nearing 60. She's been married and is a widow with GC - doesn't fancy the thought of herself naked.

We, her sisters and children tell her it will be fine- as it will, I suppose.

Then, for the rest of the day, make a massive bowl of salad with every salad veg you can think of - add a few seeds and nuts and French dressing. Eat it with some protein - preferably meat, but if you're veggie, something else will have to do (just watch the carbs) - and I promise you that your blood sugar levels will come down and you'll probably lose weight too. Absolutely no potatoes, pasta, porridge, pastry, rice, couscous, quinoa.