Braverman attempts a cover up.

growstuff

luluaugust

I thought she asked because she has protection people as a Minister and was trying to work out how to take them all with her to an awareness course. In the end she paid a fine and took the points which will affect her insurance.

Where did you get that idea from?

She could have done the course online from anywhere with an internet connection. Nobody would have known where she was.

They would have recognised her unusual name though and her face!! It’s all a bit happy clappy, you introduce yourself by first name and you see who everybody is. No surnames are given or addresses but people do say things like “I am in the north of the county” etc.

Nicenanny3

The tories aren't looking for an excuse to get rid of her 😂 Labour are because she's popular and her Illegal Migration Bill is a vote winner.

As I've quoted before
'If you're over the target that's when you get the flax' and Suella Braverman is certainly over the target and spot on with this bill.

Correct.

NotSpaghetti

The course is a privilege and not offered to everyone apparently. I can't remember who gets offered it. It's a way of getting out of fines and points.

I think it's a bit like arguing about compensation that you aren't actually entitled to but is a "good will" offer.

Also... why did her office say there was no speeding charge 4 times to the media?

You are completely wrong! People are encouraged to do the online course rather than the classroom based one. You still see who everybody else is but you don’t reveal surnames, just first names. They have severely cut down on the classroom ones. I did one recently and you still have to pay, I think I paid about £80. I very nearly took the points and fine because I didn’t want to do it online and there were no classroom ones anywhere near me.

NotSpaghetti do you think it’s possible that SB’s office did not know about the speeding violation? After all, why on earth should they know when it is a PRIVATE matter after all. It would have been so wrong for SB to have involved her publicly funded staff surely?

No one knows the truth of this yet. It will be interesting to know where this leak came from.

The course is a privilege and not offered to everyone apparently. I can't remember who gets offered it. It's a way of getting out of fines and points.

I think it's a bit like arguing about compensation that you aren't actually entitled to but is a "good will" offer.

Also... why did her office say there was no speeding charge 4 times to the media?

I hope Rishi Sunak has the sense to see that leaky government is a threat to good governance.
We need full confidence that the Civil Service is impartial and we need to have accountability from those people dripping away in the background.
This is manipulation at the highest level and it should be stopped.

It doesn’t matter who, if anyone, is looking to get rid of her if she’s arrogant and self-entitled enough to provide the weapons and the ammunition.

ronib

There’s so much embroidery going on on this forum and in the msm. It puts the Guild of Master Embroiderers to shame.
In order for more transparency in leaking information about government and its ministers, I think it is important for democracy that newspapers are made to name their sources. This is done through an application to the courts.
It is true that Rishi Sunak was trying to govern in a much less sensational manner than Boris Johnson and I guess this wasn’t selling news. Hence the kickback.
We need to be reassured that the impartiality of the Civil Service is being maintained at all times.

ronib she did it. There’s no embroidery in that statement at all.

The tories aren't looking for an excuse to get rid of her 😂 Labour are because she's popular and her Illegal Migration Bill is a vote winner.

As I've quoted before
'If you're over the target that's when you get the flax' and Suella Braverman is certainly over the target and spot on with this bill.

There’s so much embroidery going on on this forum and in the msm. It puts the Guild of Master Embroiderers to shame.
In order for more transparency in leaking information about government and its ministers, I think it is important for democracy that newspapers are made to name their sources. This is done through an application to the courts.
It is true that Rishi Sunak was trying to govern in a much less sensational manner than Boris Johnson and I guess this wasn’t selling news. Hence the kickback.
We need to be reassured that the impartiality of the Civil Service is being maintained at all times.

rosie1959

As this happened last summer why has it taken until now to come out why not call it out straight away if it is so wrong

Because the tories are looking for an excuse to get rid of her.

Notice how Sunak is distancing himself.

She is no longer a member of his team, look how she has criticised no 10 over the past couple of weeks.

This is no 10 hitting back.

When I had to do it, for driving 5 miles ph above the limit, I did it on-line... why couldn't she?

As this happened last summer why has it taken until now to come out why not call it out straight away if it is so wrong

Not growmore but growstuff I had just been posting about compost😄😄

Germanshepherdsmum

I can understand why she would want to attend a private course - there would be a security issue for a start, she couldn’t attend without bodyguards. When that turned out not to be possible she paid the fine and took the points. Speeding is a common enough offence. Misbehaviour? Miscreant behaviour? Come on!

In my opinion that’s not what the issue is though, it’s getting others to sort it out rather than dealing with it herself. They are not her personal servants. Nobody judges people who get speeding fines harshly, it’s just one of those things many of us have to deal with, and she has done herself no favours by her entitled behaviour when she could have just dealt with it.

Reading all the headlines today, it seems clear as growmore suggested, that No 10 has distanced itself from Braverman, and her incompetence.

She was wrong asking civil servants to help her over what was a private matter. That is not their job and to put them into such an invidious position is unfair.

This feels to me like clutching at straws. We all know speeding is against the law and potentially dangerous but have caught ourselves doing it for various reasons. I received a parking ticket as a social worker having given a relative a lift from the hospital where I worked to the Social Security Office to help her record her mothers death and claim the death benefit etc. She had made an urgent journey from another town to her mum's bedside. I could not drop her off as she was very upset, had a walking disability, did not have her disability badge with her and the office was at the top of the building so I had no choice really but to park in the 'disabled access' bay. She assured me that she could send me details of her badge which she duly did. However It cut no ice with the police and, although I appealed the inevitable ticket with explanations - permission given - and details of the badge duly provided I had to pay a huge fine. I know I went back to the office when I first got the ticket and sounded off about it all, especially when I had to pay the fine. This could well have been the kind of scenario Ms Braverman found herself in where she went back to the office and sounded off about the ticket - inappropriate in her position maybe but also only human - which has been tweeked to agitate the electorate. Don't get me wrong I am horrified by the woman's general attitudes, actions and opinions but this episode is very small potatoes in comparison to her general behaviour and smacks of desperation to me.

No security issue. I did a course online last year, no one knew my full name other than the course leader.

Now she wants to get out from attending the final reading of the small boats bill.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/21/suella-braverman-tried-to-get-out-of-final-vote-on-small-boats-bill

luluaugust

I thought she asked because she has protection people as a Minister and was trying to work out how to take them all with her to an awareness course. In the end she paid a fine and took the points which will affect her insurance.

Where did you get that idea from?

She could have done the course online from anywhere with an internet connection. Nobody would have known where she was.

Germanshepherdsmum

I can understand why she would want to attend a private course - there would be a security issue for a start, she couldn’t attend without bodyguards. When that turned out not to be possible she paid the fine and took the points. Speeding is a common enough offence. Misbehaviour? Miscreant behaviour? Come on!

What security issue? She could have done the course online.

The opposition doesn't need to do anything! The Conservatives are quite capable of destroying themselves. Escalating a relatively minor motoring offence into a reason for sacking is all Braverman's own doing and shows how poor her judgment is.

I can understand why she would want to attend a private course - there would be a security issue for a start, she couldn’t attend without bodyguards. When that turned out not to be possible she paid the fine and took the points. Speeding is a common enough offence. Misbehaviour? Miscreant behaviour? Come on!

Primrose53

Ailidh

Not a fan of SB.

Not a fan of speeding.

Not hugely moved that she wanted to do the course anonymously - it's not as though she tried to duck out of the penalty.

Not a fan of the constant trial by media that dominates our culture.

All she did was ask a question!

It’s also a trial by the opposition who will do everything in their power to get rid of people like Priti Patel and Suella Bravermann who are trying to carry out their jobs and sort out the boat people problem. They really are the nasty party despite Corbyn, in his day, claiming Labour were the nicer and kinder party.

Ironically, Priti Patel has now started criticising Braverman.

This isn't about her speeding fine. It's about Conservative internal politics and trying to save the next election.

It doesn't help Braverman's case that she isn't up to the job and is already on her "second (or is it third) chance".