Braverman attempts a cover up.

growstuff Civil servants should be allowed to do their jobs and not spend time on ministers' private matters.

There you are! I've corrected it for you.

You’ve corrected nothing, just revealed your arrogance. Obviously the failure of this particular witch hunt has really got to you.

SB inherited the scheme from Priti Patel and had no involvement in its inception when Attorney General.
I think it’s an advantage for SB and Cherie Blair to have prior knowledge of Rwanda in a different capacity. I would be interested to hear CB’s comments on safety in Rwanda.
The whole point about seeking asylum is that it is intended to last for the duration of the threat to life in the home country. Therefore once the threat is fully resolved, migrants can expect to return to their home country. I hope that this will be built in to the Rwandan system in the unlikely event that the scheme goes ahead.

Cheri Blair isn't Home Secretary keen to send asylum seekers to Rwanda, never to return to the UK.

I understood that the charity was involved in training lawyers. That can be done while still understanding/knowing that Rwanda isn't a safe country for refugees...

Dinahmo SB set up a charity in Rwanda with Cherie Blair so maybe investigate both of them?

The speeding argument might be over but there's still the Ruwanda question to be dealt with. And I don't mean sending asylum seekers there.

Given the independent ethics advisor has decided she has not broken the Ministerial Code, that is now the end of the matter. Thankfully - what a waste of time! Unfortunately I now await the next attempt to get her fired/force her to resign, they will not give up now she is in their sights.

MaddyB

What a vast waste of time for ministers trying to run the country at a difficult time. She made a slight error of judgement but definitely NOT a crime or a sackable offence. Go home lefties and spend YOUR time doing something useful.

How do you spend your life? Apart from trying to bait so-called "lefties?

tickingbird

I’m so pleased that’s the end of that witch hunt and it was unsuccessful. She has advisors. She asked for advice. Is it possible to have a private speed awareness course. No wonder the country’s in such a mess. Civil servants need to do their jobs and stop trying to stop this government doing theirs.

Civil servants should be allowed to do their jobs and not spend time on ministers' private matters.

There you are! I've corrected it for you.

Oreo

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

MaddyB

Honestly guys! Can you imagine how many famous people get speeding tickets and we never see them on Zoom courses or live courses. Of course Suella asked if she could do the course privately. And she is very very busy - trying her best for OUR country. I can’t believe how much attention this is getting when there are so so many more important issues.

People need to remember that Labour’s Harriet Harman has been caught speeding several times. Once when she was doing 99 mph and once when she was Solicitor General. She was given a ban for about 4 DAYS plus a fine and there was outcry at the time about such a lenient sentence!

Going at speeds like that she would not be eligible for an online course. I am guessing SB was just over, like myself. I was doing 34 in a 30.

I can’t believe that after so many posts, and so much information about why this is an issue, you still don’t get the point Primrose53. Many MPs speed, like the rest of the population, take it on the chin and it’s a momentary news story. This is not about the speeding!

Do you realise how patronising you sound? I absolutely DO get the point. My point is SHE ASKED A QUESTION …. That’s all she did! We know people speed, we know SB exceeded the speed limit but she did not try to get out of it, she took the points and paid the fine.

This has been pointed out to you on countless occasions and by various people and you still don’t get it!! 🤣

Doesn’t choose to get it I think Primrose53

If you genuinely think Sunak’s decision was because she just asked a question, and there were no other issues, I’m astonished, but I apologise if I’ve offended you.

I’m so pleased that’s the end of that witch hunt and it was unsuccessful. She has advisors. She asked for advice. Is it possible to have a private speed awareness course. No wonder the country’s in such a mess. Civil servants need to do their jobs and stop trying to stop this government doing theirs.

Oreo what do you mean? Not all over - expect more of the same in about two weeks? Different minister, same internal battle going on. The Conservative Party are slogging this out Sunak v Johnson. Is it beginning to make sense?

All over now so no need for anyone to continue frothing about it.

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

MaddyB

Honestly guys! Can you imagine how many famous people get speeding tickets and we never see them on Zoom courses or live courses. Of course Suella asked if she could do the course privately. And she is very very busy - trying her best for OUR country. I can’t believe how much attention this is getting when there are so so many more important issues.

People need to remember that Labour’s Harriet Harman has been caught speeding several times. Once when she was doing 99 mph and once when she was Solicitor General. She was given a ban for about 4 DAYS plus a fine and there was outcry at the time about such a lenient sentence!

Going at speeds like that she would not be eligible for an online course. I am guessing SB was just over, like myself. I was doing 34 in a 30.

I can’t believe that after so many posts, and so much information about why this is an issue, you still don’t get the point Primrose53. Many MPs speed, like the rest of the population, take it on the chin and it’s a momentary news story. This is not about the speeding!

Do you realise how patronising you sound? I absolutely DO get the point. My point is SHE ASKED A QUESTION …. That’s all she did! We know people speed, we know SB exceeded the speed limit but she did not try to get out of it, she took the points and paid the fine.

This has been pointed out to you on countless occasions and by various people and you still don’t get it!! 🤣

Doesn’t choose to get it I think Primrose53

What a vast waste of time for ministers trying to run the country at a difficult time. She made a slight error of judgement but definitely NOT a crime or a sackable offence. Go home lefties and spend YOUR time doing something useful.

Chocolatelovinggran

Golly Primrose, that's a very strange post " looked like a wolf with blood dripping from her mouth..." surely not..

You should have seen her! As I said she was drooling and looked positively gleeful. Awful woman.

Casdon

Primrose53

MaddyB

Honestly guys! Can you imagine how many famous people get speeding tickets and we never see them on Zoom courses or live courses. Of course Suella asked if she could do the course privately. And she is very very busy - trying her best for OUR country. I can’t believe how much attention this is getting when there are so so many more important issues.

People need to remember that Labour’s Harriet Harman has been caught speeding several times. Once when she was doing 99 mph and once when she was Solicitor General. She was given a ban for about 4 DAYS plus a fine and there was outcry at the time about such a lenient sentence!

Going at speeds like that she would not be eligible for an online course. I am guessing SB was just over, like myself. I was doing 34 in a 30.

I can’t believe that after so many posts, and so much information about why this is an issue, you still don’t get the point Primrose53. Many MPs speed, like the rest of the population, take it on the chin and it’s a momentary news story. This is not about the speeding!

Do you realise how patronising you sound? I absolutely DO get the point. My point is SHE ASKED A QUESTION …. That’s all she did! We know people speed, we know SB exceeded the speed limit but she did not try to get out of it, she took the points and paid the fine.

This has been pointed out to you on countless occasions and by various people and you still don’t get it!! 🤣

I’m not certain Braverman was breaking the rules MaizieD when she asked the Civil Servant if she could do the course privately. Depends on your slant, but the answer was no and that should have been end of. Why is it being raised now?

Justin Welby was doing 25 in a 20mph zone and was recently fined but not splashed all over the press.

ronib

Casdon that’s your personal fantasy.

😂 I do not fantasise about anything to do with Sue-Ellen I can promise you. It’s a prediction, based on her track record for cocking up everything she touches.

Like the typo- Braveman. Yes needs to be pretty brave to put up with this ….. fill in the missing word.
You have failed to understand that there was no improper use of civil servants . It has not been proven. End of the story… please 🙏

growstuff

Tom Tugendhat was banned from driving for six months because he was caught using a mobile phone. He already had six points on his licence. It was in the media for a couple of days, but doesn't appear to have done his career much harm.

If Braverman had paid the fine or done the course (like everybody else), without making it look as though she wanted some kind of special treatment, it would all have been forgotten about by now.

It's because she tried to get the civil service involved in something which was a purely personal matter that this has blown up in her face. Moreover, she has form on not following "rules".

She asked a question. "No Minister we cannot help you there,it is a private matter". Should have been end of story. No some little man / woman in the civil service thought they would get some notoriety and try and get a minister sacked. He could have asked his superior for advice, but oh no a leak to the press satisfied them.

maddyone

25Avalon

Princess Ann was once caught speeding and more recently Justin Welby. Don’t hear much about the latter. Neither attended a course.

That’s because there weren’t any courses when Princess Anne was caught, you paid the fine and got the points. Not sure about Welby, I don’t know when he was caught.

I think Welby was fairly recent, but this is completely irrelevant to Braveman's improper use of civil servants.

25Avalon

Princess Ann was once caught speeding and more recently Justin Welby. Don’t hear much about the latter. Neither attended a course.

That’s because there weren’t any courses when Princess Anne was caught, you paid the fine and got the points. Not sure about Welby, I don’t know when he was caught.

25Avalon

Princess Ann was once caught speeding and more recently Justin Welby. Don’t hear much about the latter. Neither attended a course.

There weren't any courses when Princess Anne was caught speeding (or has there been a more recent one?)

It's not obligatory to do the course. Yu can pay up and take the points if you want to. It's entirely a personal choice.

But the whole affair has nothing to do with taking courses or not taking courses or even getting a speeding ticket.

It is about the improper use of civil servants by a government minister.

Does 'following the rules' not apply in your world, 25Avalon?

Tom Tugendhat was banned from driving for six months because he was caught using a mobile phone. He already had six points on his licence. It was in the media for a couple of days, but doesn't appear to have done his career much harm.

If Braverman had paid the fine or done the course (like everybody else), without making it look as though she wanted some kind of special treatment, it would all have been forgotten about by now.

It's because she tried to get the civil service involved in something which was a purely personal matter that this has blown up in her face. Moreover, she has form on not following "rules".

Princess Ann was once caught speeding and more recently Justin Welby. Don’t hear much about the latter. Neither attended a course.