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Are women in power different to men?

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Glorianny Fri 26-May-23 10:45:46

The early suffragists believed men could not be trusted to look after women and the poor, and this was one reason women needed the vote. When we look at women politicians today I am uncertain that this remains true. Do women continue to support the poor and campaign for women? I can think of some who did throughout their political career, but there are many who don't. Is it possible power corrupts women more than men?

M0nica Thu 01-Jun-23 07:14:43

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nanna8 Thu 01-Jun-23 05:36:10

What’s that got to do with the price of fish ?

Tamayra Thu 01-Jun-23 05:13:02

Take a squizz at this girls !

M0nica Mon 29-May-23 22:04:07

SueEH, as many of us have said, the reason men and women behave the same is because there is no real difference. Plus.of course, aggressive and abrasive leadership makes the media headlines and the immense amount of quiet reasoned managment exercised by men and women isn't dramatic so is never talked about or publicised.

SueEH Mon 29-May-23 20:08:02

Many women in power think that in order to work with men they have to behave like men. And that totally defeats the point of them being women in power.

Saetana Mon 29-May-23 19:47:35

The worst boss I ever had was a woman - talk about bitchy! I called her out over bullying another member of staff, didn't get fired but I did end up leaving the job. They talk about toxic masculinity, but she was a prime example of toxic femininity. Women can be just as bad as men in positions of power. When it comes to politics, locally I vote for my Green councillors, even though that is very far from my own political ideology. I vote for them because they care about our ward and do a lot of help local constituents. Whilst I am a Conservative by nature, unfortunately when it comes to national elections I have to vote tactically - in my area of the city they would elect a dog turd if someone stuck a Labour rosette on it, the only person who has a chance of beating her is the Green candidate so that is who I will vote for.

Gundy Mon 29-May-23 16:57:26

Probably in equal measure.

I tend to support women in general because I know they are smart and would be concerned for everyone’s welfare (where some men rule by misogyny and continue to roll over us).

I am completely baffled by women who side with SOME men who are corrupt, lie and are hateful, support their platforms and anti-kooky agendas. Really???

They are misguided and ruthless for their own power then. All you need to do to find your candidate is check their voting record and what comes out of their mouths - does it sound reasonable, wise and respectful, or as someone who wants to burn down the house? You’ve got your answer.

Women will rule! Someday.
USA Gundy

JudyBloom Mon 29-May-23 16:33:05

'Power' goes to all their heads, male and female and they have to remember, but seem to forget, that we the people are supposed to have the power over them not the other way round.

M0nica Mon 29-May-23 16:00:52

We have no independent members on our council, but our local Lib Dem councillor (unitary and county) is a ball of fire. Major issues have been dealt with that had been ignored for years. Post a complaint on the village Facebook one day and she has spoken to all the relevant people and got a solution in place the following day.

JaneJudge Mon 29-May-23 14:16:41

why are we all putting up with party politics anyway and what can we do to get better representation? I find it all so frustrating. Even town council level up, the only councillors who seem to work hard are those that are independent.

11unicorn Mon 29-May-23 14:10:26

I agree with the comment that some women in power needed to be ruthless to get there, so that is what we perceive.

Though I think that it does not apply to all. Look at Germany's Angela Merkel and the Syrian crisis where she took the lead and showed compassion and did the humanitarian right thing to say every Syrian who flees the war is welcome.
Not many men would have done that in my opinion.

homefarm Mon 29-May-23 13:32:09

In a long career I have had several bosses, two of which were women.
They were the worst ever. Give me a male boss any day. No micro managing and bitchiness

Romola Mon 29-May-23 12:03:13

Sorry again. Right thread after all.

Romola Mon 29-May-23 12:00:59

Sorry folks - this belonged to the thread about women in power. I will try to put it there.

Romola Mon 29-May-23 11:59:26

It's great that we are no longer surprised to see women in positions of power and influence. I've had good and bad bosses, both male and female. And I've held a fairly senior position myself.
But I have heard for some years of a case of a downright bullying by a woman head of section in a major institution.
She has a knack of spotting some sort of insecurity in a particular member of her team. She makes that person's life miserable by overloading them with work and then criticising them for being too slow. Requests for days off as part of holiday entitlement are refused. Another tactic is to make an apparent favourite of another member of the team, contrasting them with her victim. Usually the victim eventually leaves. But finding an equivalent job is hard in the smallish town where this is the major employer.
Complaints have been made about her for years, but she seems to be untouchable. It is suspected that she has, or has had, a relationship with a very senior male member of this institution.

LJP1 Mon 29-May-23 11:47:53

The sad thing is that women seem to recognise that the advantage and the success of eventual achievement by 'soft', cooperative methods is advantageous and usually succeeds with less damage than the adversarial techniques.

This has been true throughout evolution from cooperation between molecules making cells, cooperation between cells to make larger organisms and cooperation between individuals to create larger societies and then coopertion between countries which minimise energy losses as progress is achieved.

This does not negate the advantages of 'tough love' where there is no aggression.

Jackiest Sat 27-May-23 20:46:14

The gender of the person is irrelevant it is the character of the person that matters and there are good and bad in both men and women.

Allsorts Sat 27-May-23 20:40:52

I wouldn’t vote for anyone if I didn’t believe in them or their policies.
Politics is a dirty game and addictive, don’t think whether you are male or female makes any difference, your family suffers getting to the top.

Chardy Sat 27-May-23 20:25:13

I had nothing in common with Thatcher (and I felt she didn't do anything for women). Nothing in common with May or Truss, I didn't find them warm, compassionate or any of those other alleged female characteristics. There are several (young) female politicians who do exhibit those characteristics (Mhairi Black, Zara Sultana, Nadia Whittome)
Lastly, the best 2 and most successful secondary headteachers I ever worked for, were both women. And the worst one was also a woman.

VioletSky Sat 27-May-23 19:06:42

It was me who said that

And I wasn't looking at the bigger picture when it comes to party policy which is an obvious mistake thinking about it

But I still think treating politics like football is an issue

GrannyGravy13 Sat 27-May-23 18:02:31

M0nica

GG Are you suggesting one should vote for a good honest person who means well and works hard for the constuency, even we profoundly disagree with every policy they espouse?

I am sorry i really could not do that, as it could mean i was voting for someone, who in my opinion, could destroy the country and plunge it into economic collapse and poverty or even war.

No I was saying the exact opposite M0nica

I have voted for them in previous elections, but they appear to be moving further to the right of the party, so if they stand I cannot vote for them again.

M0nica Sat 27-May-23 17:55:15

GG Are you suggesting one should vote for a good honest person who means well and works hard for the constuency, even we profoundly disagree with every policy they espouse?

I am sorry i really could not do that, as it could mean i was voting for someone, who in my opinion, could destroy the country and plunge it into economic collapse and poverty or even war.

Doodledog Sat 27-May-23 12:57:34

Agreed, GG. We need to look at the bigger picture.

I'm not keen on my MP, but vote for him so that there is a greater chance of getting the Tories out and the Labour government that I think will benefit the country as a whole.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 27-May-23 11:49:12

VioletSky

I genuinely think the only way we improve politics in general is for everyone to stop treating it like football and supporting a "team" no matter how badly they play.

On every level we should vote for the candidate that has proven themselves a decent person, who actually fulfills the expectations we need, like dedication to the area they are running in, listening to the needs of the community, communicates well, is honest, understands culture and is dedicated to the job and not side hustles.

If we prioritise the sort of people we want in politics eventually parties will have to restructure

Well I for one would be screwed if I took that approach.

Locally our MP is very good on issues concerning their patch on a national level they are probably part of the ERG…

VioletSky Sat 27-May-23 11:19:38

I genuinely think the only way we improve politics in general is for everyone to stop treating it like football and supporting a "team" no matter how badly they play.

On every level we should vote for the candidate that has proven themselves a decent person, who actually fulfills the expectations we need, like dedication to the area they are running in, listening to the needs of the community, communicates well, is honest, understands culture and is dedicated to the job and not side hustles.

If we prioritise the sort of people we want in politics eventually parties will have to restructure