Puzzled about 'kidnapping' lambs

Norah

Gillycats Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Environmental damage from meat production is frightful. I suspect animal farming is not sustainable much longer. My opinion.

You are talking rubbish Norah animals transported in the UK suffer no more than commuters on the trains there are strict rules that hauler have to follow.
Water is provided during the journeys, food and rest if it happens to be a long one, the journey does not harm them at all.

Norah

Katie59 at least one of those you quote as being perfect has had a welfare breakdown and lost its supermarket contract.

I'm sorry, I was doing research for my brother - his last week living so far from home in an odd country and thus his last time in his Church speaking. I perhaps didn't look as well as I could have.

Which Link do you have issue with?

I still contend all one has to do is find a decent butcher who buys certified organic - and I gather check current certification.

Norah

Coombe Farm

I'd be surprised if it wasn't corn starch - carrot/turmeric colourings.

I agree Norah. Meat production at the current rate isn’t sustainable. We are heading for disaster if it’s not tackled now.

I was at Chelsea yesterday and there was hardly a sign of the orange colouring. Just a very slight tint of it in the dust. So I’d be surprised if it was paint, there would be colouring on the stone work.

Blondiescot

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Every single news report I've read - from various reputable sites - say that it was paint, possibly powdered paint. There are many ways to protest about something without causing damage.

Yes, widely reported that it was paint, Blondiescot.

Norah

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Thank you for reporting that.

Thought I'd read cornstarch, couldn't locate the article.

It was reported on the BBC news that it was paint.

The garden designer said that the garden is ruined.

Apparently recollections may vary.

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Thank you for reporting that.

Thought I'd read cornstarch, couldn't locate the article.

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Every single news report I've read - from various reputable sites - say that it was paint, possibly powdered paint. There are many ways to protest about something without causing damage.

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Maybe all countries should cap the number of children are allowed to have.

Hmmm ... it's taken two million years to get to where we are now. I can't see all that being reversed any time soon.

Gillycats Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Environmental damage from meat production is frightful. I suspect animal farming is not sustainable much longer. My opinion.

Well said Choughdancer. If people want to eat meat that’s up to them. But lambs and their Mums suffer horribly on their journey to the table, as do all animals. So why people are discussing how bad the theft was, I’ve no idea. Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Well said Hetty!

I should have said just beef instead of beef protein.

Katie59 at least one of those you quote as being perfect has had a welfare breakdown and lost its supermarket contract.

I'm sorry, I was doing research for my brother - his last week living so far from home in an odd country and thus his last time in his Church speaking. I perhaps didn't look as well as I could have.

Which Link do you have issue with?

I still contend all one has to do is find a decent butcher who buys certified organic - and I gather check current certification.

Chardy

Sorry Callistemon that's a myth. If everyone were vegan, only a quarter of current farmland would be needed says The Economist
www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/28/if-everyone-were-vegan-only-a-quarter-of-current-farmland-would-be-needed
(I think the myth comes from rainforest bring cleared for soya production, omitting that 85% of soya production is for animal feed)

We take The Economist. I felt that article was fair and balanced.

Chardy

Sorry Callistemon that's a myth. If everyone were vegan, only a quarter of current farmland would be needed says The Economist
www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/28/if-everyone-were-vegan-only-a-quarter-of-current-farmland-would-be-needed
(I think the myth comes from rainforest bring cleared for soya production, omitting that 85% of soya production is for animal feed)

It is a very common myth. The soya being produced for animals is a huge problem. This shows the data on meat production (quite a long way down) ourworldindata.org/meat-production

For instance it takes 25kg of feed to produce 1kg of beef protein; 6.4kg to produce 1kg of pork.

You would therefore need far LESS land if more people ate only plant foods.

M0nica

^Buy food with Red Tractor branding then you can ensure that it is traceable, and reared to the highest standards with minimum food miles.^

Traceable, yes, but not reared to the highest standards. For that you need organic or, better still, meat from 'Pasture of Life' accredited fsrmers.

Which means most of the population couldn't buy it.

M0nica

^Buy food with Red Tractor branding then you can ensure that it is traceable, and reared to the highest standards with minimum food miles.^

Traceable, yes, but not reared to the highest standards. For that you need organic or, better still, meat from 'Pasture of Life' accredited fsrmers.

Farming is about feeding the population and there is no chance of doing that with Organic production, if you did eliminate livestock there would be no organic manure to support organic crops, so what is going to make crops grow magic?.

Sorry Callistemon that's a myth. If everyone were vegan, only a quarter of current farmland would be needed says The Economist
www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/28/if-everyone-were-vegan-only-a-quarter-of-current-farmland-would-be-needed
(I think the myth comes from rainforest bring cleared for soya production, omitting that 85% of soya production is for animal feed)

Sorry, Pasture for Life

Buy food with Red Tractor branding then you can ensure that it is traceable, and reared to the highest standards with minimum food miles.

Traceable, yes, but not reared to the highest standards. For that you need organic or, better still, meat from 'Pasture of Life' accredited fsrmers.

VioletSky

I remember seeing a video once about animals that are killed to protect vegetables

I think it's a bit of a no win situation

Maybe cutting down on meat and doing everything we can do avoid food waste is the better answer

Buy food with Red Tractor branding then you can ensure that it is traceable, and reared to the highest standards with minimum food miles.

Norah

You mislead the gullible at least one of those you quote as being perfect has had a welfare breakdown and lost its supermarket contract.