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Thanks for the laugh though, women being able to have babies without any input from men has to be one of the funniest things I've ever read on GN .

And decided to depart.

If only you had proved your points VS but once again you've failed to do so.

I've actually already proven my points and finished my boring chores

So now I can get off the merry go round and enjoy the sunshine

The article is about genetics VS not a replacement for sperm.

Oh the Dutch are expressing concerns too, one of those responsible for the Dutch protocol is back pedalling at a rapid speed.

Yes it is Glorianny but that's not the same as being pregnant and giving birth; it's not as if the artificial uterus can or will be placed inside a human being.

Gay men can have a baby by using a surrogate or adoption, as can a heterosexual couple but there's yet to be a replacement for sperm so for VS to say science has enabled women to have babies without the need of men is nonsense.

At least we now have an example of extreme on this thread.

Smileless2012

Of course a man is needed VS, where do you think the sperm comes from. Science has come a long way but has yet to come up with a replacement for sperm when it comes to human procreation.

Nothing to do with my limitations.

So no source regarding gay men expressing a wish to become pregnant than.

Actually

www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-slow-march-toward-the-first-same-sex-couple-to-have-a-baby

Doodledog

It shouts to me of a move towards making women pointless. Remove us from the language, pretend that men can do anything we can do (and beat us in areas where physical strength is important) take away our sense of self along with any security that women’s spaces afforded, and hope we just disappear.

Blessed be the fruit.

This gets to the heart of it for me. The slow eradication of women as an entity, as a group, to make us irrelevant. Men can be women - because they say so.

It is men - not infrequently violently and offensively, telling women what a woman is. It is not women who are allowed to define womanhood. It is men. Using the tactics that men use - violence, sexually violent terminology - as witnessed in the placards that express contempt for women... "suck on my girl-dick, TERF". This is misogyny, it really is.

It's not about a trans man becoming pregnant. It's not about trans women wearing a dress. It's not about trans gender identity... it is about the diminution of women, the attempt to obliterate them.

Why? I'm not sure, but I think it has something to do with the gradual so-called 'feminisation' of society. Women now start to call the shots and invade the power-spaces that men have for centuries reserved for themselves, and some misogynistic men - the more culturally liberal - are using the gender-revolution to get back that control. I think incel-culture springs from the same well. Maybe it's the price we are paying for demanding to be treated as equals at the hands of men whose real identity turmoil is not necessarily one of gender, but of self'. Am I allowed to suggest that? I'm not applying it generally, only specifically.

VioletSky

It was a bit of a shock glorianny

There is never anything wrong with wanting biological children. It's what most would choose for themselves

Yes, and the provision of sperm from a male, together with the womb of a female does that.
Men don’t have wombs so the person giving birth is a female, whatever appellation they choose to use.
Thank you for agreeing.

Smileless2012

So what you mean VS is gay men you know have expressed a wish to become pregnant. Fair enough. None of the gay men I know have ever expressed a wish to become pregnant; a wish to become parents but that's a different thing entirely.

People are very different Smileless, that's the beauty of humanity

I don't talk about my friends openly on social media much and I only remember you speaking of your dissatisfaction about superman being bi so

So what you mean VS is gay men you know have expressed a wish to become pregnant. Fair enough. None of the gay men I know have ever expressed a wish to become pregnant; a wish to become parents but that's a different thing entirely.

Precisely Smiles.

Science is busy developing the artificial uterus, then anyone may be able to have a baby en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_womb#:~:text=An%20artificial%20womb%20or%20artificial,carry%20the%20fetus%20to%20term.

Of course a man is needed VS, where do you think the sperm comes from. Science has come a long way but has yet to come up with a replacement for sperm when it comes to human procreation.

Nothing to do with my limitations.

So no source regarding gay men expressing a wish to become pregnant than.

I wonder if the trans man’s baby will think its conception ‘a wonderful thing’ VS.

And how exactly do two women have a baby without need for a man? They can’t. The science does not exist.

Smileless2012

Could you provide a source where you've read/heard of gay men expressing a wish to be pregnant VS?

Souce

Gay people I personally know

If a trans man wants a biological baby, that's a wonderful thing not something for people to pick apart because they do not understand it.

I actually said that the science exists to enable two women to have a baby that is both of theirs. Meaning a man is not needed

In nature there are already species that are able to procreate without a male if one is not available interestingly, all the offspring are then female

We live in an interesting world, no need to make it smaller with your own limitations in understanding what drives others

Could you provide a source where you've read/heard of gay men expressing a wish to be pregnant VS?

What does gay men expressing a wish to be pregnant have to do with it? Men cannot become pregnant because they are men.

Yes science has enabled an egg to be taken from one woman, fertilised with a man's sperm and then implanted into the womb of another woman, but science has yet to be able to enable a man to become pregnant.

'I'm a trans man. I want to live like a man oh and I want to give birth' !!!!!

It's entirely normal

Gay men have also expressed the wish to be pregnant

The science exists to enable a lesbian couple to have a child that is biologically both of theirs

We do not need to worry about gender or sexuality when it comes to people's wish to procreate. Of the desire to do so exists and the means is available, that is something to celebrate

I think that originally in this country, the requirement was to live and work as your preferred gender for 2 years before surgery was given, during which time hormonal treatment was made available.

Has anyone said there is anything wrong with wanting biological children VS? Some evidence of extreme views posted following your temporary absence would be appreciated, but no doubt not forthcoming.

For me the photograph of this pregnant trans man simply highlights the utter nonsense of the claim of wanting to live like a man, and makes a mockery of those who genuinely believe they were born into the wrong body.

Thank goodness hormone therapies are available. HRT is a godsend

Galaxy

We could supply all sorts if things on the NHS if that was the criteria Glorianny thankfully it isn't. It is just children with dysphoria either, in terms of legal action it also appears to be those prescribed them to delay puberty for other reasons.

I was just reading about the original Dutch programme. 6 months of counselling before any treatment. Any sign of other problems and that could be extended to a year and beyond. Of course there aren't the staff to do that here. But it sounds better than a complete ban.