Is there still a Conservative Party?

“He's actually a very clever and astute writer and broadcaster. "Chavs: the demonisation of the working class "is a well written, carefully thought out book.”

Please do not tell us that the above statement is a fact! It is YOUR OPINION. Owen Jones is not well liked by people except for the far left. Sir Keir is wise not to heed Mr Jones.

One of you mentioned that no Conservatives are here to defend the party. The current govt is poor and Conservatives know that. We are not stupid. But some of you are not worth the time to argue sensibly.Calling us “Selfcervatives” is not funny and I rather enjoy threads like this where left of the Labour Party chat to each other. However, I do not think all disgruntled normally Conservative voters will all turn to Labour. Some will vote LibDem others will go to the Reform party or Green. It will be interesting to watch the Uxbridge vote as Mayor Khans ULEZ policy is extremely unpopular with the locals. We shall see as Mr Asquith said. I am quite relaxed about Labour forming the next Government. It is their turn.

MayBee70

Did you not listen to what Blair was saying? What bits of it did you disagree with?

MayBee Blair was spouting forth. It’s not him who leads the Labour Party and who will probably be PM but Starmer. I can’t think Starmer wants Blair sat on his shoulder.

So Jamie Driscoll is going to stand as an independent. Interesting.

ronib

Ww2 well that’s one point of view. The other is that there’s a slow economic recovery with prices coming down at the pumps and a possible 2p tax cut. I imagine more ‘incentives’ will be on the table by 2024.
The war in Ukraine might be over by then which would help our economy if we haven’t been annihilated by a nuclear strike and so on. Of course, we might be
seeing the start of another pandemic or war …. I am sorry if the good folk of Guildford, Goldalming and Horsham have lost their critical thinking skills but it’s probably caused by drinking too much coffee!

🤣 organic expensive coffee maybe?
It’s true that petrol coming down and competitive supermarket prices will help, tho I imagine the war in Ukraine may still be going on and where that will lead is anybody’s guess.
As we all know, a real of stuff can happen in a year.☹️

Did you not listen to what Blair was saying? What bits of it did you disagree with?

Not as we know it. Complete shambles and I’ve a horrible fear Labour won’t be any better. If we’re not careful we’ll see the rise of far right wing parties as in Europe. A scary backlash.

How sickening was Tony Blair on Sophy Ridge programme yesterday spouting what the Labour Party will be doing in power? Well you messed up Blair. Starmer doesn’t need you sitting on his shoulder telling him what to do.

MayBee70

Grany

KS and those that run the party do not want anyone left or moderate left. Video Starmer goes FULL DICTATOR Owen Jones. A politician Ian Driscoll very capable man serving mayor who has worked tirelessly for his community including achieved Very Many Good Things, a driving force for a Green Industrial revolution The party banned him. Because he is not on the right of the Labour Party.

If Owen Jones doesn’t like Keir that’s even more of a reason for me to support him. He doesn’t, for some reason, want a Labour government but just wants to remain in permanent opposition meaning about everything….I don’t buy The Guardian because he writes in it. He isn’t a journalist. He’s just a very silly boy.

So, this week Owen Jones, in a crucial bye election week, has been on Breakfast TV again criticising Keir, saying he might vote Labour but might vote Green. Along with Mick Lynch who’s also criticising Keir and getting his members to strike just when the hard working people of this country are going on their much needed holidays. I totally support the right to strike but imo it’s downright nasty spoiling people’s holidays…I don’t know what either of them want to be honest… All I can think is that they want to be in permanent opposition moaning

Mayor Jamie Driscoll
@MayorJD
Are all the politicians the same?

Do the people in the Westminster bubble think they know what’s better for the North East than you do?

Is that why
@UKLabour
didn’t trust members with a free choice of North East mayoral candidate?

Read my article 👉https://bit.ly/3J9Hcee

So where does that leave free speech? If someone is condemned by another person as being racist or anti-semitic is no one ever permitted to speak to them about anything?
Or if they do speak must they expect to be sanctioned?
It is so funny when you watch the conversation. There's a bit here www.google.com/search?q=KenLoach+and+Jamie+Driscoll+in+conversation&oq=KenLoach+and+Jamie+Driscoll+in+conversation+&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160l3.24357j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:653d07e1,
It's mostly about film

So far as I’m aware, the concern is him sharing a platform with Ken Loach. I’m aware of his success in making films that speak to Labour voters. He’s no longer a member of the LP because of anti semitism.
I can see the argument about local people selecting candidates but of course, I see the counter argument

Iam64

I’m not worried about Andy Burnham. His criticisms of Starmer aren’t couched in nonsense about Zionism, burnham wants a Labour government. He won’t work to undermine that

Could you explain to me please how Jamie Driscoll has spoken any nonsense about Zionism, or tried to work against a Labour government?
His main crime seems to be that he shared a platform with Ken Loach. As the award winning film maker films in the NE and has made award winning films set in the NE it's pretty weird.
The people of the North East do not want a Mayor chosen by London central office. They want the person they know works for them.. If he stands as an independent he will probably win.

I’m not worried about Andy Burnham. His criticisms of Starmer aren’t couched in nonsense about Zionism, burnham wants a Labour government. He won’t work to undermine that

No can't blame Labour Left for Jamie Driscoll case. Labour are now Conservative. Reeves has backtracked on Green Deal Why. Was it the right wing press, so near an election there should be polices people can vote for transformative polices

Casdon

You’ve morphed the thread since you wrote it Glorianny, your original post said “Is there still a Conservative Party? Chris Patten on QT said there isn't one any more. Is he correct? He said "I was the chairman of the conservative party when there was one"
It’s unambiguously about the Conservative Party. If not, you’ve got an issue with where you place your capital letters, which seems doubtful.

Anyway, this is going nowhere, so those interested in actually discussing Conservative values have moved to another thread.

But if you have a party that is embracing conservative ideas then you might not actually need a Conservative party. Which is totally linked to the thread.
I appreciate that in the Jamie Driscoll case it's difficult to comment and blame everything on the hard left.

Ilovecheese

I suppose it would be a really difficult decision for him (Jamie Driscoll) to make, in case he had to shoulder the blame for a Labour loss.

This has made me fear slightly for our own Andy Burnham who has been such a good mayor in Greater Manchester. he has been critical of Starmer more than once now, I hope he has not put himself in a similar danger as Jamie Driscoll.

Andy Burnham and other Northern mayors have spoken out in support of Jamie, so maybe he'd better take care or he'll go as well! "Another one bites the dust!!"

I suppose it would be a really difficult decision for him (Jamie Driscoll) to make, in case he had to shoulder the blame for a Labour loss.

This has made me fear slightly for our own Andy Burnham who has been such a good mayor in Greater Manchester. he has been critical of Starmer more than once now, I hope he has not put himself in a similar danger as Jamie Driscoll.

You’ve morphed the thread since you wrote it Glorianny, your original post said “Is there still a Conservative Party? Chris Patten on QT said there isn't one any more. Is he correct? He said "I was the chairman of the conservative party when there was one"
It’s unambiguously about the Conservative Party. If not, you’ve got an issue with where you place your capital letters, which seems doubtful.

Anyway, this is going nowhere, so those interested in actually discussing Conservative values have moved to another thread.

Anniebach

This thread ‘Is There Still A Conservative Party’ ?

But also about how we don't really need one because Labour is doing their job for them.

Ilovecheese

Can Jamie Driscoll stand as an independent?

He probably could and would have a following. It would though split the Labour vote which would once again mean the Tories would probably get in. I think whatever your views on how hard left he is (he isn't) he has been a remarkably active local politician. Dumping him seems a really stupid move. But I wondered who people will blame if Labour do lose the mayor race?

Can Jamie Driscoll stand as an independent?

Thank Crunchie its Friday.

Thank you Glorianny

This thread ‘Is There Still A Conservative Party’ ?

Whitewavemark2

Glorianny

Whitewavemark2

Would you like me to start a thread for you grany?

It's my thread and I don't mind threads wandering. If you want to start one feel free.

Oh yes! Excellent idea.

This thread can become grany’s thread to voice her criticism of the Labour Party and those interested can discuss the Tory Party as is and whether it reflects conservative values.

Thank you

Seems better than constantly getting at someone because they won't do what you say.

Is there still a Conservative Party?, yes, and that’s not going to change anytime soon. It might be fairly extreme as under Thatcher, less so under Cameron then back to extreme under Johnson et al.
They are always going to be right of centre and supportive of business, the characters will change the party will not.