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Prince Harry v The Mirror in phone hacking case

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lemsip Sun 04-Jun-23 08:17:31

When Prince Harry gives evidence in the Mirror phone-hacking trial on Tuesday, he will become the first senior royal to be cross-examined in court since the 19th century. Based on what happened earlier in the trial, it is unlikely the prince will enjoy the experience.

Pooter Wed 07-Jun-23 15:03:45

nanna8

Harry clearly adores the press but only when it is feeding his ego and going his way. He doesn’t like it when they turn against him. Who is he waving to when he attends court cases, coronations etc? Just wondering, though I suppose it is his massive fan base. I really don’t think he ‘gets’ that he is not the most popular horse in the stable, he is clearly not tuned in to what people think of him after that ghastly book.

Yes you're probably right that many people's personal animosity towards Harry is blinding them as regards the central issues at play here.

Although how people do in fact feel towards him is governed by factors such as age and political sensibilities. Thus middle aged plus, Middle England will view his court action in taking on the tabloids very differently from younger, more politically progressive types. Those who subscribe or buy into to the tabloids will view him very differently from those who loathe that self-same tabloid ethos.

Personally I question the extent to which the musings of our media commentariat can or should be taken at face value. The British media clearly has a dog in this fight, so perhaps it is better to also view more internationally located media sources for summations and opinions.

nanna8 Wed 07-Jun-23 14:12:39

Harry clearly adores the press but only when it is feeding his ego and going his way. He doesn’t like it when they turn against him. Who is he waving to when he attends court cases, coronations etc? Just wondering, though I suppose it is his massive fan base. I really don’t think he ‘gets’ that he is not the most popular horse in the stable, he is clearly not tuned in to what people think of him after that ghastly book.

maddyone Wed 07-Jun-23 13:41:40

But it must have been mortifying for the woman involved, who he described as older, but turned out to be only a couple of years older than him.
What really amazes me is his ability to think that whatever he says about others is perfectly fine, but others must not say anything about him otherwise it’s illegal. His sense of overblown entitlement is truly wonderous to behold.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 13:32:07

I didn't read the book either maddy and when I first learned he'd written that, I laughed.

Freya5 Wed 07-Jun-23 13:26:07

margauxbordeaux

Totally against phone / mobile hacking or any other form of hacking .. This is ILLEGAL.

Hope that Harry is able to have success in this case.

2 wrongs never make a right ..

Only if he can prove that it was gotten by illegal means. So much has come out that the information was already in public knowledge. On him lies the burden of proving otherwise.

maddyone Wed 07-Jun-23 13:23:40

Smileless2012

That he had his first sexual experience with an older woman who treated him like a wild stallion in a field behind a busy pub WellsRose.

That made me smile Smileless. Even I know about that incident where he discusses losing his virginity and I haven’t even read the book! Those who did read the book discussed it on here, on Gransnet, and of course it was all over the news. Unfortunately for the poor woman involved, Harry’s indiscretion resulted in her being identified. He’s not too bothered about plastering other people’s private lives all over the media. Perhaps Harry should have a think about his own behaviour!

Freya5 Wed 07-Jun-23 13:22:42

HappyLife

Its not that he doesn't like "the lime light". He doesn't like all of the misreporting and lies which the media peddle. He is totally right to stand up for himself against the toxic British press.

Following reports of the court from a Barrister, non affiliated, it seems Harry is telling his own lies, or at least his version of the truth.

Freya5 Wed 07-Jun-23 13:21:12

DiamondLily

maddyone

Whilst I agree with most of what you say DiamondLily, the royals such as Harry do rather make it our business when they insist on having over the top weddings with carriage rides round the area, waving and smiling at all the commoners. It could be argued that William should have had a high profile wedding because of his place in the line of succession, although frankly I don’t see the need myself, but others such as Eugenie and Harry certainly didn’t need to put themselves out there costing the British tax payer millions for all the security. Frankly no one can have it both ways! Harry wanted his big wedding because his brother had one and wanted all the waving and public adoration and pictures in the newspapers, but doesn’t want it when it suits him, such as when he’s wearing a Nazi costume, or taking drugs, or falling out of an expensive club late at night so full of alcohol (and drugs?) so that he can barely stand up. I’m sorry, no one can have it both ways!

No, I agree with some of what you say.

I think it's ludicrous that we have to fund OTT weddings, funerals, coronations, and jubilees.

They should pay for it themselves.

It's not appropriate or necessary in a modern world, especially when do many are going without the basics.🙄

Think more people were going without the basics at the time of the Queens coronation, no safety net then.

merlotgran Wed 07-Jun-23 13:14:56

My prediction is that Harry will sue the court artist for not portraying him in a favourable light.

He looks deranged! 😂

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 13:05:14

The question you asked "Do you think ........................" is a question, you're asking what I think.

WellsRose Wed 07-Jun-23 13:03:31

Which question?

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 13:01:15

Yes I do but I don't understand the relevance of your question WellsRose.

WellsRose Wed 07-Jun-23 12:59:13

Smileless2012

You asked me for proof when I posted that William gave the money from his out of court settlement to charity WellsRose.

Do you not think there's a difference between a public figure who received a large amount of money possibly due to having tax payer's money help with his legal team and someone who is completely anonymous person on the internet.

Mollygo Wed 07-Jun-23 12:54:17

WellsRose

Mollygo
WR
Why would i want to provide you with facts?
I didn’t ask you to provide me with anything, factual or otherwise.
No you didnt directly but you did say I'm not able to provide proof of my fundraising so let’s move on.
Did I say you weren’t able to provide it or just that you didn’t?
Whichever, there’s no proof, so as you say, let’s move on.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 12:51:20

That he had his first sexual experience with an older woman who treated him like a wild stallion in a field behind a busy pub WellsRose.

WellsRose Wed 07-Jun-23 12:48:05

Smileless2012

I think we only know what we know about Harry's sex life because of his book WellsRose.

Yes I wouldn't be surprised if he's not taken the advice he's been given Sparklefizz and maddyone. He must be a nightmare to have as a client.

The phone hacking happened before the book.

What do you know about Harry'sex life from the book?

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 12:46:20

You asked me for proof when I posted that William gave the money from his out of court settlement to charity WellsRose.

WellsRose Wed 07-Jun-23 12:45:56

merlotgran

As somebody said upthread, It’s a lot more entertaining than Phillip Schofield’s shenanigans.

The king must be deeply upset watching his son in court digging himself into an even deeper hole but I wonder if William has any sympathy?

I somehow doubt it.

It's entertaining to hear about phone hacking! It's not just Harry who has been affected.

WellsRose Wed 07-Jun-23 12:43:08

Mollygo

WR
Why would i want to provide you with facts?
I didn’t ask you to provide me with anything, factual or otherwise.

No you didnt directly but you did say I'm not able to provide proof of my fundraising so lets move on.

Dickens Wed 07-Jun-23 12:17:55

DiamondLily

There's "in the public interest" and then there's just click-bait stuff with our press. They use everything as "in the public interest".

If a politician is dodgy, lying or corrupt, then of course it's public interest.

If a royal is receiving carrier bags containing £3 million in cash, then, yes, that's public interest.

If a royal is being connected with trafficking/grooming/exploitation of young girls, then thats public interest.

Who is having a relationship with whom is not public interest. It's personal.

There are reams of stuff, online, about William having a female "side interest" in Norfolk - is that our business? No, it's not.

The press try to excuse their behaviour with their cry of "public interest", and it's often ludicrous.

Well said!

Click-bait is ultimately advertising revenue. And there's no lack of interest in the intimate lives of royalty - it's insatiable - ker-ching!

Without wanting to virtue-signal, I refuse to read the gossip about William and have no idea whether it's true or not. It must be hurtful for his wife. Will his eldest child also at some point read about it? I'm not a fan of royalty anyway, they are still human beings with feelings though.

merlotgran Wed 07-Jun-23 12:11:00

As somebody said upthread, It’s a lot more entertaining than Phillip Schofield’s shenanigans.

The king must be deeply upset watching his son in court digging himself into an even deeper hole but I wonder if William has any sympathy?

I somehow doubt it.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 12:01:29

I think we only know what we know about Harry's sex life because of his book WellsRose.

Yes I wouldn't be surprised if he's not taken the advice he's been given Sparklefizz and maddyone. He must be a nightmare to have as a client.

Mollygo Wed 07-Jun-23 12:00:24

WR
Why would i want to provide you with facts?
I didn’t ask you to provide me with anything, factual or otherwise.

maddyone Wed 07-Jun-23 11:48:07

My son is a barrister and often advises clients to settle, but they won’t take his advice. He’ll say to us, ‘we’ll lose.’ And they do!

Sparklefizz Wed 07-Jun-23 11:46:03

Harry doesn't seem to be someone who takes advice, unless it's from Meghan. He may well have been advised by his legal team not to bring the case or that it was not strong enough.