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Prince Harry v The Mirror in phone hacking case

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lemsip Sun 04-Jun-23 08:17:31

When Prince Harry gives evidence in the Mirror phone-hacking trial on Tuesday, he will become the first senior royal to be cross-examined in court since the 19th century. Based on what happened earlier in the trial, it is unlikely the prince will enjoy the experience.

DiamondLily Tue 06-Jun-23 16:24:11

Sorry, but hacking private phone calls is wrong.

My private phone calls aren't worth hacking, but I would be mortified if some, covering years, were made public.

We all say things, thinking them private, and don't want them exposed.

I felt the same about Charles and Tampon-gate, and Diana and Squidygate.

I had no time for either of them, but those intercepted phone calls were toe-curling.

People, whoever they are, need some privacy.

Forsythia Tue 06-Jun-23 16:25:09

Anniebach

The press have been hostile to him since he was born ! ! ! !

Why do you think that might be?

Anniebach Tue 06-Jun-23 16:26:33

He didn’t say

Louella12 Tue 06-Jun-23 16:29:43

From what I've heard , HRH, was what he wanted to be called at the beginning of proceedings.

I heard this earlier. On TV. Of course it might not be true

Forsythia Tue 06-Jun-23 16:30:47

I think he knows he has made huge mistakes in his life and he’s not one to be held accountable for his own mistakes. He has to look for scapegoats. The royals were always clearing up his messes but now he is exposed. He’s looking to blame others.

maddyone Tue 06-Jun-23 16:33:37

Sorry, but hacking private phone calls is wrong.

Of course it is.
Did someone say it isn’t?

Callistemon21 Tue 06-Jun-23 16:34:02

Callistemon21

Louella12

I trust the legal bods concerned remembered to call him His Royal Highness at the start of play

He isn't an HRH any more.

But in his statement he referred to his father as HRH King Charles III
🤔
Surely His Majesty is correct?

Prince Harry has blasted an ex-royal staff member as a "two-faced s**t" in a scathing attack
The Duke of Sussex made the comment regarding his mother's butler Paul Burrell

I'm beginning to feel sorry for him.
He's out of his depth.
I hope this doesn't have repercussions for the other claimants.

maddyone Tue 06-Jun-23 16:38:35

I think that only the monarch can be addressed as His/Her/Your Majesty. I think the correct form of address for other royals is His/Her/Your Royal Highness. But not for Harry because he’s not allowed to use HRH any longer because he has commercialised his activities.

Callistemon21 Tue 06-Jun-23 16:48:47

I think that only the monarch can be addressed as His/Her/Your Majesty
And Queen Camilla too.

maddyone Tue 06-Jun-23 16:53:17

Yes, that’s right Callistemon. I forgot her, but she’s crowned so she can be, whereas Prince Philip was HRH because he wasn’t crowned. I think.

Callistemon21 Tue 06-Jun-23 16:58:45

It was a bit of a faux pas, though.
Poor Harry. ☹

Jaberwok Tue 06-Jun-23 16:59:16

Yes, the monarch is always H.M, never HRH. Other members of the RF are always HRH, or nothing at all . I would have thought Harry would know this,but?? All those high jinxs when he was young and popular, such a pity that he can't,for once take some responsibility for his own actions instead of always blaming others. As for our government! Not sure that the state of this land is anything to do with this man any more. He doesn't live here and has no dealings with these islands except as a visitor. Perhaps he should pay attention to his adopted country's President who grows more doddery every day.

Forsythia Tue 06-Jun-23 17:13:43

He doesn’t like the government because they won’t give him the security he demands.

WellsRose Tue 06-Jun-23 17:33:04

Seriously who cares. What has Charles done that makes him majestic. This is serious issue. Please read about what phone hacking did to the Dowler family. If Harry fails, at least he has brought phone hacking into the limelight. His brother settled out of court because he's a coward who cares more about his position than what happens to his peasants and this is what gets to me about Royalists, they fawn over these people who really don't give a stuff about the average person.

Louella12 Tue 06-Jun-23 17:35:37

Harry is now unsure on hacking. He can't remember. These stories were in all the papers. It's a lot of speculation

DiamondLily Tue 06-Jun-23 17:36:45

I think the Queen said that he couldn't use the title for commercial purposes, but that he (by birth) would always be HRH?

And, phone hacking is still wrong.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 06-Jun-23 17:44:49

Phone hacking has already been brought into the limelight WellsRose and I expect we are all aware of the Dowler case.

William was sensible to settle out of court. It wasn’t cowardly. Let’s see how sensible Harry has been, insisting on his day in court.

I’m a royalist but fawning isn’t in my nature. Nor am I a peasant. If you think you are, that’s your problem.

DiamondLily Tue 06-Jun-23 17:58:26

Well, I think those that hack phones need to be called to account.

I don't think those that disagree are fawning or peasants 😉

But, William copping out was, in my view, cowardly.

But, it was his decision to make.

maddyone Tue 06-Jun-23 18:06:09

Germanshepherdsmum

Phone hacking has already been brought into the limelight WellsRose and I expect we are all aware of the Dowler case.

William was sensible to settle out of court. It wasn’t cowardly. Let’s see how sensible Harry has been, insisting on his day in court.

I’m a royalist but fawning isn’t in my nature. Nor am I a peasant. If you think you are, that’s your problem.

Good post GSM. I’m not really a royalist because I think it perpetuates the class system, and I believe we should be a meritocracy, but I’m interested in royalty nonetheless.
I think William was very wise to avoid the attention of appearing in court. That would have been my decision if it had been me.

WellsRose Tue 06-Jun-23 18:15:05

Germanshepherdsmum

Phone hacking has already been brought into the limelight WellsRose and I expect we are all aware of the Dowler case.

William was sensible to settle out of court. It wasn’t cowardly. Let’s see how sensible Harry has been, insisting on his day in court.

I’m a royalist but fawning isn’t in my nature. Nor am I a peasant. If you think you are, that’s your problem.

The whole basis of the Royal family is that they are special and deserve riches and attention. I don't think I'm a peasant but I wouldn't camp overnight to watch a person who is no better than the rest of them. If I did meet him, if call him Charles because he's my equal.

Phone hacking is an abomination and should remain in the spotlight. Aren't you disgusted about it because I am.

William may have been sensible because he's looked after himself. I think as a future king he's a coward for not standing to something that affects everyone. Not everyone has legal teams to protect them if they fall foul of the press. He is a selfish coward. Harry may fail and you will love it forever perverse reason but he's had a go.

DiamondLily Tue 06-Jun-23 18:18:51

Agree.

Glorianny Tue 06-Jun-23 18:18:55

I'm wondering about the morality of William's actions. If a thief stole from you and many other people and then offered you your goods back and a substantial amount of money, but ignored all the others, would it be morally right to take the money?
Is settling for cash ever right or just expedient?

Smileless2012 Tue 06-Jun-23 18:20:26

No one's said that 'phone hacking isn't an abomination WellsRose.

Smileless2012 Tue 06-Jun-23 18:21:10

He gave the money to charity Glorianny.

Mollygo Tue 06-Jun-23 18:53:55

Phone hacking is appalling. Whoever the victim is. I don’t think anyone has disagreed.
My phone calls are mostly innocuous, except perhaps for sharing complaints with my family and friends about OFSTED (which might affect my job) the treatment of my Mum in hospital, (which would embarrass her), but I wouldn’t like them published, and if I could pay to stop that happening, then I would.

RW
The whole basis of the Royal family is that they are special and deserve riches and attention.

I wouldn't camp overnight to watch a person who is no better than the rest of them.
You’re entitled to your views about the RF.
You missed the thread where lots of posters said they wouldn’t camp overnight so we’ve already heard that. It was personal choice. How did you decide your choice is superior to others?

If I did meet him, if call him Charles because he's my equal.

If you did meet King Charles and called him Charles, I’d think you were doing it to call attention to yourself. If that’s how you want to appear, go for it.

His good manners would mean he’d ignore your bad ones. Being equal doesn’t always mean dumbing down to the lower level.