Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested!

Siope for taking the time and trouble to post a detailed reply in response to my question. It is much appreciated.
I shall go away and digest.

Actually, most of what I learned about Scotland’s supposed hatred of England was from particular posters on GN. Before that, I only knew about historical fighting and the friendly rivalry at sports fixtures.

The problem with NS being claimed as politically savvy and intelligent is how that falls down when you look at the investigations into finances and the recent arrests.
That puts her firmly into the same category as the lying BJ.

Marysoll Obviously, I can’t speak for others, but my view on some possible reasons, as an English person who lived in Scotland for several years, including during the Indy campaign and vote, and the Brexit referendum, without once being on the receiving end of any anti-English sentiments. I’m now living in England.

It’s long, sorry. And apologies for typos, I’m on my phone and in a hurry.

Until the recent SNP election, I doubt 9 out of 10 English people could have named any other SNP MSPs, and very few SNP MPs, so Sturgeon was very much the focus for any dislike/distrust of SNP policies.

I know the three other main parties brief against the SNP, and the SNP briefs against them. But in England the messaging from all three , particularly the government, is anti-Sturgeon (because they are/were afraid of her influence on both sides of the border), anti-SNP, and anti-Scottish government, in that order. And in England, they have a receptive media, selectively reporting on Scotland.

The media in England is staunchly unionist, and both selective in what it portrays of Sturgeon, and regularly slighting - however subtly - in its language about her.

Scottish government decisions are only reported if they are in any way controversial, or can be spun that way. They are always then presented as Sturgeon (or at a push the SNP, whose leader Nicola Sturgeon) pushing her (radical, divisive) ideas, with no mention of the processes that take place to get laws onto the books in Scotland.

There is, whenever possible, a ‘she’s sneering at England’ angle, where England should read ‘Westminster government’, and where it’s rarely true, or is simply the by-product of Holyrood (not Sturgeon) putting in place legislation it believes works best for Scotland.

I think there is a lot of misogyny involved (for individuals as well as some media) and a genuine dislike of powerful women amongst some.

Gransnet isn’t, of course, typical or representative of England. I’m not denying Sturgeon is divisive in England, but anecdotally, I think there are fewer anti-Sturgeon folk in the wider population than there are here, despite all the above.

Certainly whenever she appears in person.on TV here, and people can hear her without media filters, in real life and on social media (and I have a tedious number of accounts, used for gauging views across a wide political spectrum) the reaction is that she is politically savvy, articulate, intelligent and head and shoulders above any English politician - to the delight of many, the envy of more, and the fury of the right-wing.

Grannypiper, I will reiterate, I have never at any point said that non Scottish inhabitants cannot/should not post about NS
(BTW, I don't hate Boris, I just have no respect for him, as my former Prime Minister.)
If you read my posts, you will see that I am neither an SNP supporter nor an advocate of Independence.

You won't hear me spouting any vitriol about BJ, unlike some on GN, when posting about NS. That's the difference.
I was curious why some posters have such strong views, no other agenda..

Thank you Germanshepherdsmum. It's nice that some people of discernment understand what it's like for us non SNP fans up here.

Germanshepherdsmum

No, sorry, I should have said those Scots who are determined to achieve independence. Not the level-headed rational thinkers like you Aveline!😁

😅 😅😅

Marydoll maybe those outside of Scotland but still part of the union were fed up with the bigoted divisive language that came from the snarling face of Sturgeon. Many Scots living in the rest of the union that had normal quiet lives suddenly found themselves being asked if the had the same hatred for anyone that wasn't from the Scottish quarter. That and English, Welsh and Northern Irish are allowed to speak just as you can comment on Boris.

Uh oh! It never rains but it pours.

"The former first minister is at the centre of a furious row after claiming to have no “relevant” communications to release to a public inquiry she is due to give evidence to. She has been warned by covid bereaved families’ ­lawyers they “know for a fact” she sent ­WhatsApps during the pandemic. The former first minister is at the centre of a furious row after claiming to have no “relevant” communications to release to a public inquiry she is due to give evidence to within weeks.

Solicitor Aamer Anwar has said deleting material could be a criminal offence and has asked the ­Information Commissioner to launch an investigation. He has spoken out as he ­prepares to go to London with campaigners who lost loved ones for the opening of the UK covid inquiry on Tuesday.

Aanwar wrote in to the Scottish Information Commissioner’s Office: “If Ms ­Sturgeon is saying that she has no messages then that ­cannot be the end of the matter. We know for a fact that Ms Sturgeon and other ministers have used WhatsApp for ­several years including the years during the pandemic."

Colour me shocked.

👍

No, sorry, I should have said those Scots who are determined to achieve independence. Not the level-headed rational thinkers like you Aveline!😁

Germanshepherdsmum not all Scots! SNP not universally popular up here.

It seems the Scots think they are so special that they would have special treatment, so anxious will the member states be to welcome them back into the fold. Their unfortunate balance sheet will be ignored. They won’t have to adopt the euro. Their resources will sustain them for ever. A reality check is indeed required.

Germanshepherdsmum

Agreed NanaDana. Nationalists survive on misplaced optimism.

Enjoy your scone Oreo.😁

Quite so, GSM, and that optimism isn't limited to balancing the books. I feel that the same rose-tinted specs are also focused on NS's avowed intention of re-joining the EU. It will only take one veto to bar Scotland from joining. Both Spain and France are strongly opposing ongoing independence movements within their own countries. Spain with the Catalans, and France with the Basques. On that basis, how likely is it that either of them will reward Scotland’s independence by welcoming them back into the fold? Reality check required..

Agreed NanaDana. Nationalists survive on misplaced optimism.

Enjoy your scone Oreo.😁

multicolourswapshop

*Oreo*. who stole your scone 🤣🤣🤣

Safely stowed in my breadbin thanks, I will have jam and cream on one a bit later with my coffee.
😂
You can have it back when it’s gone stale

Aveline

multicolouredswapshop You believe that? 😂😂😂

Apparently so, Aveline. Conveniently overlooks the fact that it was "Westminster money" that rescued both HBOS and RBS when they failed, plus the fact that an independent Scotland would start with an inheritance of around £100 billion of UK debt. Many economists have serious doubts that Scotland can raise sufficient tax to cover Government expenditure, with what looks like an annual deficit of around £11 billion per annum. But Nationalists have always made a virtue out of optimism, and apparently continue to turn a blind eye to the balance sheet. They have even labelled the many authoritative economic reports which highlight this as "Project Fear". Definitely some whistling in the dark going on.

multicolouredswapshop You believe that? 😂😂😂

Oreo. who stole your scone 🤣🤣🤣

Regardless of what I’m reading I came across this
England would be significantly poorer without Scotland's economy. believe it or not

Sorry NanaDanayou’ve got it all wrong it would deeply affect the coffers of Westminster when Scotland goes alone they would be such a poorer country without Scotlands contributions please take time to read up on why this would be that’s why there’s such a negative backlash on the SNP just watch this space

Marydoll

Thank your Oreo, a perfectly valid reason.
I feel the same way about Jacob Reese Mogg, but I wouldn't waste my time posting abought him. 😉

He’s smug and bloody irritating too, and quite a few on forums including GN do regularly post about him.

NanaDana, I don't really don't want that to happen.
Thank you for giving me your perspective.

Marydoll

I will repeat this. I haven't said those outside Scotland shouldn't post about NS. I said I was intrigued by the fact that she probably has little impact on their lives, yet some posters are very passionate in their dislike of her. Why?
Please do not deliberately misunderstand what I am trying to say.

Quite understand what you're saying, Marydoll, but I can't agree that "she probably has little impact on our lives" outside of Scotland. Her number one priority is to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom, and that would have seismic effects for everyone throughout the U.K. It really is that simple in my case.

I will repeat this. I haven't said those outside Scotland shouldn't post about NS. I said I was intrigued by the fact that she probably has little impact on their lives, yet some posters are very passionate in their dislike of her. Why?
Please do not deliberately misunderstand what I am trying to say.

Grandmabatty

Released without charge

Under investigation though. Just think if this had been someone in the Tory party, most on here would be baying for suspension, but see Humza Useless, just that, is keeping his mentor on side.