The Labour Party and Free Speech

Anniebach

Where were the loyal Labour supporters at the 2019 election ?

I can't speak for all of them, but they got my vote.

They will get it again, as there is no alternative (for me) that I could bring myself to vote for. I approve of many Labour policies, but I believe in democracy and women's rights, so I can no longer declare my support overtly enough to be in the LP.

Our clp had potential candidates imposed, with the ex momentum candidate (he’d left momentum very recently) not selected. Many officials resigned. I know them well, they’re all still firmly of the belief that Corbyn is the leader they want. The information on the doorstep that people wouldn’t vote Labour because of Corbyn is dismissed as these people being brainwashed by the right wing press.
I was very happy with the 3 candidates we could select from. All live in the constituency, all active in the party, two councillors.
I’ve no worries that Andy Burnham’s position as our mayor is under threat. He’s rock solid, no associations with anti semitism.
I’m still a LP member

Where were the loyal Labour supporters at the 2019 election ?

Lots of people saying won't vote for Starmer. Saying he is a coward ect, more worried about what the Daily Mail would say. Reeves speech on backtracking on Green Deal she said fiscal responsibility embarrassed about having to change tack she should. What an embarrassment Labour are. No need to keep powder dry they are on the same side as Torries. Alexei Sayle Video on Not the Andrew Marr Show poem called I hate Keir Starmer. Don't know what politics is coming to in this country. Labour will win, could shoukd do much better.

I’m sure that is the position of most Labour supporters, they are going to vote Labour whateve, to get elected and improve things Starmer has to appeal to voters like “me.
I don’t care about gender, Jewish or femism issues, I do care about the economy, housing, NHS and a lot more.
I think though, that it's important that Starmer continues to appeal to people like me, too. I am a lifelong Labour supporter, and if he loses those who are prepared to vote Labour even when they don't agree with everything they are doing (and I do care about women and 'Jewish issues') they will struggle. Floating voters float - they can't be relied on to stay loyal, and it is loyal supporters who are getting sick of the way the LP is moving to the right. I struggled with Starmer's refusal to tolerate MPs standing on picket lines, with the 'women can have penises and men cervixes' nonsense, and now the NE public are not going to be given a chance to re-elect the standing mayor (it should be up to them if they'd prefer someone else). Where will it end?

I absolutely believe that someone has to get the Tories out, but that should be to restore the democracy that the Tories have damaged so badly, not to erode it further.

Everything in politics is going really nasty, far left, far right. Never thought I would say this as not a Boris fan at all, but he was driven out. Now I do not trust our Prime minister, nothing he said yesterday rang true. Strikes me that there’s few you can believe. Where have all the people with integrity gone, got out whilst able. It’s a very dirty business, but what goes round comes round, everything passes.

Doodledog

I was determined not to be bullied into commenting, but I will say that I have resigned from the LP over a combination of this and the anti-feminism it has displayed of late with its ridiculous comments on so-called 'gender'.

It is not the party I have supported all my life any more. I will probably vote Labour in the GE, as I can't see an alternative, but my support is now limited to voting as long is there is nobody else. I will never vote Lib Dem or Tory, so unless a new party forms I am stuck with Labour, but I am not happy.

I’m sure that is the position of most Labour supporters, they are going to vote Labour whateve, to get elected and improve things Starmer has to appeal to voters like “me.
I don’t care about gender, Jewish or femism issues, I do care about the economy, housing, NHS and a lot more.

I was determined not to be bullied into commenting, but I will say that I have resigned from the LP over a combination of this and the anti-feminism it has displayed of late with its ridiculous comments on so-called 'gender'.

It is not the party I have supported all my life any more. I will probably vote Labour in the GE, as I can't see an alternative, but my support is now limited to voting as long is there is nobody else. I will never vote Lib Dem or Tory, so unless a new party forms I am stuck with Labour, but I am not happy.

Glorianny I honestly don't feel a need to rush to his defence as Labour Party moderate.

I dnot agree with everything he does and don't feel the need to,

Broadly speaking in the political climate we have he is on the right tack to win the election and try and do what is probably quite limited in terms of change, certainly initially, but oh so necessary to get the support to oust this government.

Politics has swung to the right a great deal and imo you have to take people with you step by step. Real change, in the NHS, in Care, in the willingness even of people to turn out vote, in making better trade deals..these won't happen overnight.

Oreo

Am sure Burnham is safe😃

Very much so. I dot know why it was suggested otherwise!

I’m sure there are plenty of labour supporters who think Starmer is not “socialist enough”, the problem is that a socialist leader is highly unlikely to win a GE. Foot, Kinnock, Miliband or Corbyn, none of them convinced voters to trust them.

I’m happy that Starmer is capable of making a decent PM, if the extremists in his own party cause trouble and he looses the election I will be very annoyed. It’s the best chance Labour have had for a decade, it might not what you want but it’s going to be better than another Tory PM

Katie59

Glorianny

Where are the centre left Labour supporters who could (presumably) explain what is going on here. They suddenly seem to have gone very quiet. No one on the "far" left to condemn I suppose. Just a bloke who has worked really hard for his local community and been dumped.

Is there a “centre left” or indeed a “centre right” or just a section of voters that might vote for any party according to policies they like.

No there are on GN people who say they are centre left and condemn me as left wing for trashing Starmer, but it seems they are unwilling or unable to come to his defence on this matter.

It is hard to have any faith that policies will be carried through though, by either of the two main parties, whose policies are very similar.

Glorianny

Where are the centre left Labour supporters who could (presumably) explain what is going on here. They suddenly seem to have gone very quiet. No one on the "far" left to condemn I suppose. Just a bloke who has worked really hard for his local community and been dumped.

Is there a “centre left” or indeed a “centre right” or just a section of voters that might vote for any party according to policies they like.

Where are the centre left Labour supporters who could (presumably) explain what is going on here. They suddenly seem to have gone very quiet. No one on the "far" left to condemn I suppose. Just a bloke who has worked really hard for his local community and been dumped.

There is definitely less democracy in the Labour Party now. Whether people agree or not. Keir has to get rid of the left doesn't he party politics instead of policies, perhaps he's keeping his powder dry. The video is by Just Some Geezer it has a fair bit of swearing the young man is not approving of Starmer and makes it plain with many valid points.

Video lots of swearing.

The Tory party is especially controlling unless you toe the line you dont get selected, step out of line and you’re out
Freedom of speech does not exist in party politics.

Youtube Kier Starmwr How to loose Friends and Not Influence People.

Just Some Geezer

youtu.be/g3rnLURSMNc

Mayor Jamie Driscoll
@MayorJD

This makes a good point: Unless we increase trust in politics we pave the ground for Farage and worse

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/08/jamie-driscoll-labour-keir-starmer-north-of-tyne-mayor?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

twitter.com/MayorJD/status/1665836373180309505?s=20

Oreo

Well, Corbyn shared platforms with all sorts of dodgy geezers so it obvs does matter.
Depends what Ken Loach is saying I guess , wasn’t he mates with Corbyn? Prob still is.

I wouldn't call Ken Loach "dodgy" He is very left wing, but he films regularly in the NE. He's an award winning film maker and they were in a Venue called Live Theatre. The only clip I've seen they are talking about film. I just wonder who else is on the Labour Black List for people not to be with?
I think most of us thought Jamie would be a candidate.

Am sure Burnham is safe😃

Well, Corbyn shared platforms with all sorts of dodgy geezers so it obvs does matter.
Depends what Ken Loach is saying I guess , wasn’t he mates with Corbyn? Prob still is.

Of course it is not a good reason, Jamie Driscoll was a good mayor but he was slightly left wing, he was also popular, for those reasons he had to be ousted by Keir Starmer.
I really fear for Andy Burnham who has done a good job here in Manchester and is also popular, coming first in every region of Greater Manchester.