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Unfolding news, attack in Nottingham

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maddyone Tue 13-Jun-23 10:20:45

Just that. Sadly three people killed and one man arrested.

maddyone Thu 15-Jun-23 22:21:00

Thanks Growstuff for the information about this person’s graduation. I did only say it’s possible. I didn’t say that it had definitely happened. Anyway assuming what you say is true, and I’m not disputing it, then it would appear he didn’t overstay on his visa. The problem is that there is much speculation and nobody really knows much about him. Nonetheless if he only graduated in 2022, he mustn’t have gone to university until quite late. Nor has his university education done very much to help him move forward in a respectful and law abiding way.

nightowl Thu 15-Jun-23 21:58:16

Thank you Greenfinch.

Greenfinch Thu 15-Jun-23 21:33:50

Good post nightowl.

nightowl Thu 15-Jun-23 21:13:45

It seems he came to the UK as a teenager with his family and grew up in Wales. The family gave been described by people who knew them as very nice, hardworking, with children who did well at school. A normal family, in the UK perfectly legally and contributing to society.

As others have said, the suspect graduated (possibly with a masters degree) in mechanical engineering from the university of Nottingham in 2022. A former student who knew him and shared accommodation with him in 2020 said he had struggled with his mental health and complained of hearing and seeing things that were not there.

If all this is true it seems an even bigger tragedy than it already is - it could be that not only innocent people have lost their lives and suffered awful injuries, but this may also be a young man who has had a major mental health crisis and done terrible things that he would never have done when he was well.

It is a tragic and terrible situation but we would all do well to not speculate further or to judge at this point. And to remember the words of Barnaby Webber’s mother who asked us not to level hate at anyone on the grounds of colour, religion or gender.

My son lives within spitting distance of where the students were killed. He has lived in the area since he too was a student at the same university and loves it there. It is a diverse, vibrant area with many problems but also many of our best and brightest young people. We have to hope we can move forward with hope and positivity and as the students’ families have urged, a determination to care for and look out for others, to try to keep each other safe, and to look out for those suffering mental health breakdown with so little support.

Callistemon21 Thu 15-Jun-23 20:47:59

Dickens

growstuff

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

What are you on about?

I was puzzling over this, too.

I think Martin is advising Gransnetters not to use street skunk.

MerylStreep Thu 15-Jun-23 18:38:29

Why can’t people use the quote facility or italics
It would save confusion.

growstuff Thu 15-Jun-23 18:34:55

maddyone

We’ll probably have to wait until the trial to hear all the facts. I don’t suppose they’ll tell us if he was a graduate of Nottingham University though. It’s possible if that’s true that he simply overstayed his visa and then after a while got settled status, but that’s my own speculation.
Anyway he’s a vile individual and I feel intense anger towards him (and I’m not a violent person.)

He graduated from Nottingham in 2022.

Dickens Thu 15-Jun-23 18:27:40

growstuff

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

What are you on about?

I was puzzling over this, too.

growstuff Thu 15-Jun-23 18:24:31

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

tickingbird Thu 15-Jun-23 18:04:36

just read these posts back and see all the speculation and misinformation posted I cannot see why people would post without knowing the facts, it’s wrong. Just saying I heard it somewhere but can’t remember or someone told me but don’t remember who is just making trouble.

I can’t see any posts like that. I only post what’s released on the news. Which posts are you referring to which are making trouble Allsorts?

maddyone Thu 15-Jun-23 17:29:07

We’ll probably have to wait until the trial to hear all the facts. I don’t suppose they’ll tell us if he was a graduate of Nottingham University though. It’s possible if that’s true that he simply overstayed his visa and then after a while got settled status, but that’s my own speculation.
Anyway he’s a vile individual and I feel intense anger towards him (and I’m not a violent person.)

Allsorts Thu 15-Jun-23 17:17:19

Just read these posts back and see all the speculation and misinformation posted I cannot see why people would post without knowing the facts, it’s wrong. Just saying I heard it somewhere but can’t remember or someone told me but don’t remember who is just making trouble.

MrsNemo Thu 15-Jun-23 17:14:08

The parents have said 'Look after each other, and love everyone'. They must be special people to find such words at this time.

Kate1949 Thu 15-Jun-23 17:08:02

It is indeed heartbreaking. For some reason the pictures of Charlie, Barnaby's brother, clutching a picture of him particularly got to me. sad

Elegran Thu 15-Jun-23 17:07:22

Did you mean to say "The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly TRUE ." Martin?
The very cursory Google trawl seems to suggest that Most cannabis in the UK is 'high-risk' super-strength skunk, study finds

TerriBull Thu 15-Jun-23 17:02:43

Just wanted to say how heartbreaking to see the poor parents, comforting each other, distraught at the
needless loss of their lovely children, who should have had all their lives before them. Just so so sorry and also for the older man who was also murdered.

I'm agreeing with Martin regarding skunk having recently read a book that encompassed psychiatrists' overview of the drug, several professionals were of the opinion, more harmful than heroin as to the lasting damage it can do to the brain. Not to mention the associated crime that goes with it. Nothing like the stuff that was around in the 60s I gather.

Callistemon21 Thu 15-Jun-23 16:56:35

He was an engineering graduate.

The suspect in the Nottingham attack was known to MI5 because he turned up to the agency's London headquarters and tried to get in.
According to 'a source who told The Sun'.

MartinC1967 Thu 15-Jun-23 16:41:12

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

tickingbird Thu 15-Jun-23 16:19:38

Valdo Calocane. Sounds Italian.

tickingbird Thu 15-Jun-23 16:18:19

Just been released he’s an engineering graduate named Valdo something - sorry can’t remember the surname.

eazybee Thu 15-Jun-23 16:15:31

I think 'sources claimed' usually means doorstep comments that can't be immediately verified. A girl living in Ilkeston Road said he used to have a room in the same house but had left because of frequent visits from the police; she also claimed they had kicked the door in and searched his room. (I think that was the BBC website.)

Casdon Thu 15-Jun-23 15:29:51

Dickens

eazybee

The Daily Telegraph reported on June 14th that
A man questioned by the police in connection with the triple killing in Nottingham is understood to be a migrant from West Africa with a history of petty drug dealing.
The 31 year-old lived at a series of rental properties close to the scene of the first attack.
Sources claimed the man, who was still being questioned late last night, was a low-level drug dealer who was known to police but did not have a criminal record.
^He was described as 'a very quiet guy' but someone who had a history of mental problems.^

... "petty drug dealing". The terminology makes it sound less harmful doesn't it...

‘Sources claimed’ wasn’t the police I don’t think, they haven’t released any information about him being a drug dealer or drug taker. It was probably some guy he knew down the pub who said it, when the media don’t know, they quote ‘sources’. It may be true, it may not.

NotSpaghetti Thu 15-Jun-23 15:24:01

Today the police have said he had been a student at the University of Nottingham..

"The suspect is a former University of Nottingham student but this is not believed to be connected with the attack."

growstuff Thu 15-Jun-23 15:03:47

Nicenanny3

21:41growstuff

Nicenanny3

Yes we gave our own British born criminals without importing more. The fact remains if he hadn't been allowed into our country these people would still be alive.

But people in other countries might very well be dead. Don't they matter?

Seems to me they matter more to you than the 2 young students and this older man who were killed by this migrant with this awful uncaring comment.

You'd be wrong.

Callistemon21 Thu 15-Jun-23 14:18:58

with a history of petty drug dealing
Euphemism for "with a history of wrecking lives, not just those of the addicts".