Unfolding news, attack in Nottingham

eazybee

The Daily Telegraph reported on June 14th that
A man questioned by the police in connection with the triple killing in Nottingham is understood to be a migrant from West Africa with a history of petty drug dealing.
The 31 year-old lived at a series of rental properties close to the scene of the first attack.
Sources claimed the man, who was still being questioned late last night, was a low-level drug dealer who was known to police but did not have a criminal record.
^He was described as 'a very quiet guy' but someone who had a history of mental problems.^

... "petty drug dealing". The terminology makes it sound less harmful doesn't it...

From the BBC website today. June 15th.

What do we know about the suspect?
The 31-year-old suspect in custody is originally from West Africa but had been in the UK for many years, official sources have confirmed.
He is not a British citizen but he had settled status, meaning he had permission to stay in the country for several years.
He did not have a criminal record and was not known to the security services
It is also understood that the man has a history of mental health issues.

I do not know if security services includes the police.

The Daily Telegraph reported on June 14th that
A man questioned by the police in connection with the triple killing in Nottingham is understood to be a migrant from West Africa with a history of petty drug dealing.
The 31 year-old lived at a series of rental properties close to the scene of the first attack.
Sources claimed the man, who was still being questioned late last night, was a low-level drug dealer who was known to police but did not have a criminal record.
He was described as 'a very quiet guy' but someone who had a history of mental problems.

Dickens
The knife crime in this country is extremely worrying. There was also the case of little Daminola (excuse spelling, not sure about it) a few years ago and countless killed since then.
With this latest attack, I really would like to know the true circumstances of the situation. If he was known to the police, why was he still on the streets? If he was known for drug offences why was he not deported? Why as a country can we not get to grips with drug offences? With knife offences? With criminal and other undesirables being given leave to remain? Although deporting criminals who are not citizens wouldn’t solve the problem obviously as we have plenty of our home grown criminals. But when I read recently of a convicted rapist being pulled off flight as he about to be deported, I despair of any sensible decision ever being made.
I’m still feeling very sad about these senseless murders, but not even a fraction of the sadness and grief the victims families are feeling.

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Nicenanny3

Yes we gave our own British born criminals without importing more. The fact remains if he hadn't been allowed into our country these people would still be alive.

But people in other countries might very well be dead. Don't they matter?

Seems to me they matter more to you than the 2 young students and this older man who were killed by this migrant with this awful uncaring comment.

NotSpaghetti

I have read that the man arrested was NOT known to the police.
Can someone please post a link to where they say he was?
Thanks.

I've read that he was - that they'd been "called" to incidents in which he'd been involved. But I cannot remember which media it was.

I'd also like to see a link - if I can find it, I'll post it.

After all the speculation above, I too would like to know for certain that this man was known to the police or not (for violence, that is)a lot of people are walking around known to have some drugs connection).

Like maddyone I want to separate facts from speculation.

I have read that the man arrested was NOT known to the police.
Can someone please post a link to where they say he was?
Thanks.

maddyone

Since it’s in the public domain that this man was both on drugs and also, allegedly, a dealer of drugs, how do we know this if he’s not got a criminal record? How did the police know that he has been violent previously? They did know that because it was announced by the media whilst it was all happening. I’m afraid I’m puzzled by all this. Was he known to the police for previous violence or not?

Was he known to the police for previous violence or not?

I think he must have been. I read that they had been "called out" to incidents in which this man was involved.

How much violence and drug-dealing / taking is one allowed to get away with before the Law decides that it's had enough? Because the general public I think have already had enough.

I remember, years and years ago now (drugs and knife crime are not a new thing are they) a black youngster - only about 11 or 12 I think - being pulled off his bike and stabbed to death. His mother was the neighbour of a friend of mine... she promised her son that if he did well in school, her and his father would buy him a new bike. He took it out on his birthday for his first ride - and never came home. A gang of thugs involved in drugs wanted the bike. It's thought he refused, so they dragged him off it and stabbed him. I think he died before he even got to hospital. This was in Peckham. The parents never came to terms with the tragedy and went into a decline. He was their only child.

I thought about them when I saw the two fathers at the vigil. Eventually, the public will forget (when the next act of violence makes the headlines) and the poor parents will be left to cope with their grief as best they can. It doesn't bear thinking about. And that poor man, who will never enjoy his retirement.

The 'war' on drugs and its associated violence doesn't ever seem to get anywhere does it? When that young boy in Peckham was murdered - this was back in the 6os - there was much wringing of hands and talk along the lines of "something must be done", but here we are decades later with a trail of murders associated with drug-dealing, and yet more families torn apart with grief. The problem seems to be escalating, but I don't know what the actual statistics are.

Just unbelievably tragic.

Since it’s in the public domain that this man was both on drugs and also, allegedly, a dealer of drugs, how do we know this if he’s not got a criminal record? How did the police know that he has been violent previously? They did know that because it was announced by the media whilst it was all happening. I’m afraid I’m puzzled by all this. Was he known to the police for previous violence or not?

Seeking answers, trying to understand, “why” is not to excuse.

I dreaded that this thread would end up with posts with yet more racist anti immigrant tropes. Sigh.

I suppose if the young nurse who is alleged to have killed many babies on trial atm was black then we’d have gone down the same route.

My DD2 went to the same school as the young man murdered in Nottingham. He looked such a lovely lad as did the girl who was also killed. A very sad week indeed with so many terrible acts of violence perpetrated against children and young people.

It was truly heartbreaking to watch.

I watched tonight’s news and just thought what if that had been my grandson or my granddaughter. I could weep for their families and the young people whose innocence has been so brutally shattered.

eazybee

No matter how appalling the crime there are always people who will find excuses for the perpetrator.

Who's finding excuses? I'm certainly not.

No matter how appalling the crime there are always people who will find excuses for the perpetrator.

Nicenanny3

Yes we gave our own British born criminals without importing more. The fact remains if he hadn't been allowed into our country these people would still be alive.

But people in other countries might very well be dead. Don't they matter?

He has been in the UK for at least 10 years and has settled status. Apparently, he has no previous convictions, so he should be treated no differently from anybody else who has a right to be in the UK. Whether he should have been treated for MH issues or given custodial sentences, if he was known to police, I don't know. I don't view him any differently from the petty criminals who go on to commit serious crimes.

I'm disgusted that so many people have jumped on the anti-immigrant bandwagon as a result of these murders.

Nicenanny3

Yes we gave our own British born criminals without importing more. The fact remains if he hadn't been allowed into our country these people would still be alive.

By that token do you think that British born people should not be allowed to leave these shores, as it’s equally likely that they will commit similar crimes in other countries. Shall we pull up the drawbridge?

Yes we gave our own British born criminals without importing more. The fact remains if he hadn't been allowed into our country these people would still be alive.

Callistemon I know. There was a fatal shooting of an innocent bystander just before Christmas in an area I know well. There was an arrest within days and it appears the suspect has a similar background to this one (except he's white British born and bred). He and his gang were known to police. I don't know what can be done to ensure the streets are safe from these people.

And nobody knows how many evil acts like these murders are averted because there are follow-ups, preventive measures are taken and support is given.

But all that was to no avail in the case of Usman Khan who seized the very first opportunity to murder two young people actively helping him at Fishmongers Hall.

The use of skunk’s often a precursor to a psychotic attack, it’s been linked to paranoia and stabbings up and down the country.

It’s a very pungent (repulsively so hence the name), therefore it would be wise to advise your kids/grandkids the heads up about giving people with that odour a very wide berth.

It’s no surprise that the person involved is a drug dealer, he’s clearly been getting high on his own supply.

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Forsythia

Absolutely right Callistemon and others. However, you will be accused of inciting racial hatred by the dogooders on here, as I was last night. He should never have been allowed to stay. All his family should be shipped back to their homeland if they are over here too. All will be on benefits you can bet your life on that. Nobody ever makes the correlation that the NHS is stretched because these individuals are entitled to NHS care from the moment they step into this country. A fat lot of good it did him, if this was the case. A drug dealer, a criminal, a complete waste of space. But untouchable and free to ruin the lives of three families and potentially others. It is disgusting. Mental health is always the cop out reason in these cases. Lots of people have mental health issues for one reason or other but they’re not all out killing people at random. I wish the police hadn’t used a taser but a gun and killed him.

That's not what you were saying last night. You were using him as an excuse to stop anybody being granted asylum.

And that's not what I said either.

I didn't say you were Callistemon. The offending posts have been deleted.

No, I know.
Just wanted to clarify that I don't know why follow-ups are not acted upon.

But, in so many cases, not just like this one, where tragedies occur, warning bells are often there and not followed up. 😥

MartinC1967

I live in Nottingham and I can tell you there’s plenty like him kicking around.

There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.