Unfolding news, attack in Nottingham

I think the police report regarding prejudicing urge court case probably relates to stuff on social media from people that know or have known the suspect.

Callistemon21

Dickens

growstuff

MartinC1967

@growstuff

Re: ‘ There are plenty in all cities from all backgrounds.’

I would advise you to investigate the risk factors associated with the imbibing of “Skunk” and extreme violence (especially knife related violence).

The assertion that these factors are ubiquitous in society is manifestly untrue.

A very cursory google trawl will confirm this for you.

An informed view of risk and how to mitigate it might save you - and your loved one’s - live one day.

What are you on about?

What are you on about?

I was puzzling over this, too.

I think Martin is advising Gransnetters not to use street skunk.

No. He’s advising us to teach our grandchildren to be streetwise because a lot of young people, when they leave home for the first time have led quite sheltered lives. Someone I know had a psychotic episode because they overdid the wacky baccy and, I think, people from Afro Caribbean backgrounds are even more at risk. Cannabis is totally different these days to the stuff that used to just make us giggle a lot.

We could report the thread and GN will take it down, Mollygo and maddyone

I did worry about that with another thread a few years ago.

Thanks Molly

No I don’t think so, but I was just about to post something when DH showed me the police report with that text in.

Mollygo do you think we (Gransnetters) have put prejudicial information on this thread? I hope we haven’t. I’m not sure.

Thanks Casdon. I don’t think I knew that. I feel I’ve I’ve heard of people in secure hospitals serving longer than their sentences, but I’m certainly not sure about that.
I’m terribly unsettled about this case.

maddyone I believe that if you’re given a sentence and sent to a secure hospital but recover sufficiently during your term to be discharged from hospital, you serve the remainder of your sentence in prison, you aren’t released into the community.

I know we’ve heard this on other threads, but I just read this from the police announcement about this arrest.
"However, posting prejudicial information online about an active case could amount to contempt of court and, in the most serious cases, have the potential to cause the collapse of a trial."

Yes you’re right growstuff I realise that. I think it can be harder to be released from a secure hospital, but then again, if it’s prison, he will most likely get a recommendation of a certain number of years, which would probably mean most of his life, or even the whole of his life with no release.
I always feel badly about these horrible cases but for some reason this one has really affected me. Of course we were at university in Nottingham so that could be one reason, but also the older man who was about to retire and now unable to enjoy any grandchildren he may have, and those two lovely young people. It’s just heartbreaking.

maddyone

Good. I hope there are no pleas for leniency because of his mental health issues.

If his issues are proven, he won't receive a more lenient sentence, but they could affect where he's kept - in prison or a secure hospital.

Good. I hope there are no pleas for leniency because of his mental health issues.

Valdo Calocane has been charged with three counts of murder

Being reported by BBC and Sky news

I'm not speculating and I'm not making excuses either. I was merely commenting on access to mental health services in universities, of which I have some knowledge.

If he was a drug taker, as has been suggested, the drugs may well have caused his mental health problems.
I make no excuses for him anyway, I think he is a vile individual.

eazybee

If this man had mental health problems advice and help is available at universities, usually more instant and accessible than in general practices. But it has to be accepted and as students are distanced physically from their families there is not the compulsion to take action that would be if their families were aware.
Your comment about parliament was distasteful and irrelevant, Nanna8.

Universities do indeed have support services, but it's not always easy for people to admit to themselves that they have serious problems, especially as there is still stigma attached.

One of the girls whose house was raided said that he had started talking about hearing voices, which would suggest that he was developing schizophrenia. It's not known whether he even asked for help.

nanna8

I think the priorities are just not there in the UK. . Doesn’t surprise me, it was one of the reasons we chose not to live there. When we left it was a most unpleasant Tory government.

Where do you live nanna8?

We moved to Norway in '95 but returned to the UK in 2007 when we reached retirement age because my OH - though a Scandinavian (from Sweden) is also an Anglophile and wanted to return "home".

The health and social services in Norway are fairly good and partly funded by monies from their oil wealth fund. But not everyone is happy with the privatisation of these services, and the rosy picture often painted about both Norway and Sweden is not as 'pretty' as it's sometimes made out to be. The care for the elderly often falls short, for example. However, the emergency services function well - you will not be left lying on the floor for hours on end if you're elderly and have had a fall! Or, at least, that was the situation when we left.

I think the priorities are just not there in the UK. . Doesn’t surprise me, it was one of the reasons we chose not to live there. When we left it was a most unpleasant Tory government.

MerylStreep

nanna8
You ask why wasn’t something done
Because the services that once existed to monitor/ help people with serious mental health are no longer there.
Once upon a time in my area we had mental health community nurses who would go every day to check that they were taking their medication.

We have one such neighbour with bi-polar who stops his medication. In 2021 he was sectioned twice. In one incident the police and the coastguard was involved. Then the stay in hospital. Where were the savings.
I knew a mental health nurse who did the job I mentioned above. They weren’t on a high wage.
I’m not an economist but I would like someone to show me where the savings are.

I’m not an economist but I would like someone to show me where the savings are.

When we eventually find out - that the 'savings' worked in theory but not in practice - those that championed the idea will be long gone to 'pastures new'.

Care in the Community was never going to work unless it was properly structured and funded. And Austerity just compounded the problems with an already disintegrating system of care.

nanna8
You ask why wasn’t something done
Because the services that once existed to monitor/ help people with serious mental health are no longer there.
Once upon a time in my area we had mental health community nurses who would go every day to check that they were taking their medication.

We have one such neighbour with bi-polar who stops his medication. In 2021 he was sectioned twice. In one incident the police and the coastguard was involved. Then the stay in hospital. Where were the savings.
I knew a mental health nurse who did the job I mentioned above. They weren’t on a high wage.
I’m not an economist but I would like someone to show me where the savings are.

If this man had mental health problems advice and help is available at universities, usually more instant and accessible than in general practices. But it has to be accepted and as students are distanced physically from their families there is not the compulsion to take action that would be if their families were aware.
Your comment about parliament was distasteful and irrelevant, Nanna8.

If he was known to have severe mental health problems why, why wasn something done about it ? Possibly because the parliament is too distracted talking about people like Boris Johnson to bother trying to solve real issues.

The university has also said he was an ex-student by the way.

Great post nightowl.

It is true. Here's a link to the graduation list:

www.nottingham.ac.uk/studentservices/documents/graduation-programme-summer-class-of-2022.pdf

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