Going back into Europe

These people just don’t or can’t accept the democratic vote we held in 2016 .
No we don’t wish to go back in the single market or anything else,be ruled by foreign powers and pay billions to other countries for the priveledge .
We voted to leave !

Brexit was a crime against the people of the UK and here in Scotland the majority didn't want it. We have lost so much and it's ongoing and felt by many people in all sorts of ways.

Part of why Scotland wants independence is to get back into the EU....to name just one aspect.

Will it happen in my lifetime... I doubt it.

I wouldn't blame Europe if they declined a future request from us to rejoin... I think they now perceive us as a bunch of arrogant, misguided idiots.

We are currently a tiny isolated island, rapidly going down the tubes, thinking we are a giant in the world... a joke ,if it wasn't so devastating!

Can you give examples of the the laws that were overturned ,please.

I hope we never rejoin. They overturned our laws, dictated what our farmers could grow and forced us to support the families of people working here, who were still in their own country. No thanks

jane1956

We Voted Leave.

Nothing is for ever. How stupid would that be? Particularly if it is harming our economy.

Yes yes yes. What happened to.tje money Boris said would go into the NHS.

I’d love to be part of the EU again. I can see not one single advantage being out of it.

We Voted Leave.

Fancy that If you register with the Economist, you can read three articles free a month.

ronib

fancythat The Economist Nov 18 2022 ‘Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023’ Zanny Bedford
Behind a paywall though.

Thanks.
Hate things being behind a paywall.

Siope

The EU doesn’t just make up separate rules to ‘punish’ individual countries.

Anyway delighted to see that we are set to rejoin both Horizon Europe and the Copernicus Earth observation programme very shortly.

Yes Siope I was delighted to see those rejoins, and my son who is a maths academic working in the field of medical maths equally pleased.

I honestly dont know if a rejoin would help. And Urms as a L Party member I can assure you a rejoin is not in anyway policy.

But I do definitely feel that aspects of customs and market and standards agreements need to be attended to asap to be brought in line for trading matters.

I think that it's inevitable that the UK will slide back. Probably under less favourable terms having weakened our position.

Such good news for scientists.

We are rejoining Horizon or at least close to a deal.

Step 1😄

Katie59

Michel Barnier has made it clear that the door is always open.

Yes, they will allow more integration if we obey THEIR rules on everything. They are not going to change anything to suit us.

It would be even more extraordinarily stupid* of us to expect the EU to change its rules to accommodate us. Rules which we were instrumental in making when we were at the top table in the EU.

The whole point of the EU is that it is a set of 'rules' designed to facilitate trade (and more) between the member states.

But there is always space for a little stretching...

*having already had the extraordinary stupidity to leave the EU

Katie59

Michel Barnier has made it clear that the door is always open.

Yes, they will allow more integration if we obey THEIR rules on everything. They are not going to change anything to suit us.

Keep in mind that it is an economic club from which the members derive benefits. So democratically the rules have been decided by the members for the members - most of which we had a very large say in. The rules oil the trade and economic rules and provides a level playground for all the businesses.

Now say you are a member of a tennis club and someone applies to join, but says that they actually don’t like the rules and could they please opt out of those they don’t like - perhaps giving them therefore advantage when they play a game with another member who sticks to the rules.

What would your reaction be?

Michel Barnier has made it clear that the door is always open.

Yes, they will allow more integration if we obey THEIR rules on everything. They are not going to change anything to suit us.

Beddoes has a more up-to date analysis Ww2

And just to add these measures had taken effect and the economy was beginning to show resilience and growth until the Tories got it and clobbered it with austerity.

Beddoes

fancythat The Economist Nov 18 2022 ‘Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023’ Zanny Bedford
Behind a paywall though.

ronib

Don’t think the Uk had any choice in the 2008 global financial crisis? Feels as if we’re sleepwalking into the next one.

No! You misunderstand capitalist crises are cyclical and inevitable and there is nothing the world can do to prevent them.

Where we do have a choice is the mitigation we put into place to help ourselves ride them out and get back to equilibrium.

Those choices are political. So immediately after the crash, Labour was still in power and had introduced measures to help mitigate the worst effects of the crash. These included nationalising a number of banks to create stability, and thus ensuring that there was sufficient capital to continue to loan to businesses and households. In other words the economy was not hit by a liquidity shortage which would have suppressed the economy and pushed us further into recession.

So no austerity.

ronib

Economists are forecasting another global financial crisis for 2023.

Hadnt seen that.
What sort of "crisis"?Though I have been saying that to anyone who would listen, for months.

Don’t think the Uk had any choice in the 2008 global financial crisis? Feels as if we’re sleepwalking into the next one.

But the policies we put into place to mitigate against what is the “natural order” of capitalist systems are political choices.

Economists are forecasting another global financial crisis for 2023.