Children’s Asylum Centre ‘too welcoming’ 😢

That's why we need to speed up the processes for checking asylum seekers, Primrose.

I have heard of a couple of cases of grown men pretending to be children and I'm sure it happens.

However, that is worrying if they are placed in an asylum centre like the one mentioned because there will be young, vulnerable children in the centres.

We're failing them.

HPQ I have achieved nothing at the expense of the taxpayer unless you count a state education. I sleep very well thanks and always have. I don’t have sympathy with people who decide to leave a safe country to take advantage of the UK taxpayer and never will.

westendgirl

Ixion, why is their this fixation with age ?
Primrose we didn't all see or hear stories of bearded men/ladies. I didn't for one. Its like Suella Braverman saying she is doing what the British people want. Remember Question Time from Exeter ?
There wete two excellent documentaries recently on different channels , one called Evacuation and the otherInside the Iranian uprising which may have given posters an insight into the sheer desperation of people trying to get out.
I think that the British Public have more about them than the Government hopes and that Jenrick has shown us exactly what sort of people they are.
Also wondering if he isnt try to out cruel Cruella in view of murmurs that she is on the move list.Eye for the main chance ?

Well you must have been living in a cave because every news channel, every newspaper and every TV discussion covered the topic of grown men pretending to be children so they can get placed in foster care, get education, get healthcare etc.

My friend is a very experienced foster carer and refused to take a boy who it was claimed was 15 and having had 3 kids of her own and fostered countless teenagers she knew he was in his mid 20s. As she had 3 teenage girls living with her at the time plus female grandchildren visiting she refused.

www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2021/12/27/surging-illegal-boat-crossings-drive-record-spike-in-asylum-age-fraud

Watch any footage of the daily boat arrivals and you will seldom see a small child. We just watched today’s arrivals and my son said “look at all those poor children.” I swung round to look and realised he was joking.

I am heartened by seeing how even GNetters who have admitted voting for the party which created a "hostile environment" see this as too hostile by far.

Contrary to what some of the media wants us to believe, the UK takes a tiny number of refugees, other countries take many many more eg Turkey (3.65m), Germany (2.2m), Pakistan (1.3m), Bangladesh has a million stateless Rohihgyas. Many of the countries that take thousands of refugees are very poor, we are not and it is my belief that we should take our share and we should do it to the best of our ability. I think there are politicians who want to give us a "common enemy", just like Hitler did in Germany, so we focus on that rather than poor govt. We tell people they haven't got school places, decent homes, good services, etc because we have too many immigrants, yet so many of our public services are kept going by people who have migrated here. Have a look at the doctors and nurses in your hospital, who your pharmacist is, who drives your buses and trains, who looks after your old mum in the care home. Just look around you and tell me that we have not benefitted by welcoming refugees and migrants. It is poor policy and a lack of proper funding that creates problems, not people.

Germanshepherdsmum

By the time my grandchild is of an age to discuss such matters I will be long gone westendgirl. I’m not interested in courting popularity. I don’t feel sympathy for people of any age who could stay in any of the safe countries they have traveled through but choose to pay thousands to people smugglers to come to the UK.

I don't know what to say to you that won't cause you to report me. I honestly don't know how you sleep at night. For someone who has told us all, at length, how hard you worked to become a property solicitor, what sacrifices you made, you seem unable to understand the ambitions of others to improve the life chances of their children. We have agreed on some subjects, disagreed on others, but I am truly shocked, and disappointed at your reaction to the kindness of a few people trying to make children happy.

VioletSky

That'll fix it!

As soon as children hear there is no longer murals they won't get on the boats at all!

In fact, they will probably just stay in war torn countries and slowly starve if they can't come look at Mickey Mouse!

Quite.

Baggs

*Whilst these innocents are waiting, they are held in the most unpleasant circumstances that this government thinks it can get away with. Presumably this includes painting out murals.*

So stories of asylum seekers/refugees being housed in designated hotels are bunkum?

I'm genuinely asking.

Oh baggs they have a room and bed but nothing else. The building may be classified as a hotel, but that is as far as it goes. The issue is that this government has nowhere else to house them. If they had been on top of the whole thing from day one as they should have been this would never be happening.

They have food to obtain, clothes to wash - well day to day living - they can’t work - they have no stability or certainty - the sheer boredom would be sufficient to drive me mad.

A law enforcement centre. Hmmm.

These are children whose parents have "broken the law" on their behalf, who have probably had frightening and traumatic journeys and who need to be cared for because their parents are absent/dead/missing.

I hope we might be able to show them humanity. Frankly, bugger the law. They are children - they have not chosen to be in this situation.

The Tories have shot themselves in the foot with this one.....

VioletSky

I think the best thing to do is send you on a nice, in depth, experience tour of the conditions asylum seekers live in in these "safe countries" GSM

Documentary style please

To add, how are your artistic skills?

I'm sure painting a few nice murals wherever these children were before they come here will put the people smugglers out of business overnight

Germanshepherdsmum

They refused to paint over the murals, yes, as I understand it. This is a detention centre, not a nursery.

Milk of human kindness in short supply in some areas. What harm is done by this? It isn't house deeds/British passports stuck on the wall. It is a bit of kindly applied paint. Good grief people

I think the best thing to do is send you on a nice, in depth, experience tour of the conditions asylum seekers live in in these "safe countries" GSM

Documentary style please

Whilst these innocents are waiting, they are held in the most unpleasant circumstances that this government thinks it can get away with. Presumably this includes painting out murals.

So stories of asylum seekers/refugees being housed in designated hotels are bunkum?

I'm genuinely asking.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t accept that anyone who comes here on a boat is desperate. They may (unless they are economic refugees) have been desperate when leaving the country they were fleeing. They ceased to be desperate on reaching the first safe country.

I used the term legal nor desperate.

They are legal asylum seekers. This government is treating them as criminals which they are not.

Ixion, why is their this fixation with age ?
Primrose we didn't all see or hear stories of bearded men/ladies. I didn't for one. Its like Suella Braverman saying she is doing what the British people want. Remember Question Time from Exeter ?
There wete two excellent documentaries recently on different channels , one called Evacuation and the otherInside the Iranian uprising which may have given posters an insight into the sheer desperation of people trying to get out.
I think that the British Public have more about them than the Government hopes and that Jenrick has shown us exactly what sort of people they are.
Also wondering if he isnt try to out cruel Cruella in view of murmurs that she is on the move list.Eye for the main chance ?

I don’t accept that anyone who comes here on a boat is desperate. They may (unless they are economic refugees) have been desperate when leaving the country they were fleeing. They ceased to be desperate on reaching the first safe country.

So the situation is that asylum seekers choose totally legally to seek asylum in the U.K. They are innocent of any illegal act, and yet this government chooses to detain them in a detention centre with the intention of transportation to a country at war with its neighbour and who shoots and kills asylum seekers for protesting that they are hungry.

Whilst these innocents are waiting, they are held in the most unpleasant circumstances that this government thinks it can get away with. Presumably this includes painting out murals.

Pathetic, History will never forgive or forget.

Unaccompanied children.
Apologies.

Has the Home Office published the numbers of children by age?
This would be helpful. And what age do posters consider would be comforted by Mickey Mouse murals? 5-10 year olds?🤔

Done of us know that if the Daily Mail said it, it can be safely disregarded

Primrose53

Interesting that the people who are against the painting over of these murals completely ignore questions and remarks about the real age of some of these children.

We all saw and heard stories from British kids saying “why is there a bearded man dressed in our school uniform in our Year 9 maths group?” It’s like the emperor’s new clothes tale ….. you can’t just pretend it’s not happening. 😉

We don't pretend it isn't happening, however we do realise that for every person who may be pretending to be a child there are dozens of real children who have endured the most terrible conditions to reach the UK . Murals which brighten and improve the space they will have to stay in are harmless, and providing a welcoming space for these children is such a small thing to do.

I think it's a measure of desperation that anyone, child or adult, would get into a rubber dinghy and risk their life

I agree. What I don't understand is how a nine year old does that totally "unaccompanied". I thought people were paying to board the dinghies.

Perhaps I have misunderstood and the so-called people smugglers one hears about are really putting people on dinghies out of the goodness of their hearts and not for profit. One wonders then how it is all funded. Dinghies and life-jackets don't some cheap.

None of what I've said on this thread means I'm anti-refugee or anti-asylum-seeker. I just want to know more about why Jenrick has ordered the murals to be painted over, why the murals were put there and by whom and with what permissions, etc, etc, in the first place. If it turns out Jenrick has said what he has said and ordered what he has ordered because he is a complete nasty bastard, so be it. I'm just not convinced yet. Jenrick has not entered my consciousness before this story burst into [some of] the public frame. I don't think the nastiness of his decision is apparent just from the emotional reactions that I have seen on this thread.

I await a more in-depth analysis from non-click-bait journalism.

I assume that the lady who fosters some of these children knows their age, she certainly described them as young children, and her description of their behaviour appeared to confirm that.

Indeed Primrose. Seems we are obliged to believe whatever they say. 7 or 17?

Interesting that the people who are against the painting over of these murals completely ignore questions and remarks about the real age of some of these children.

We all saw and heard stories from British kids saying “why is there a bearded man dressed in our school uniform in our Year 9 maths group?” It’s like the emperor’s new clothes tale ….. you can’t just pretend it’s not happening. 😉