Children’s Asylum Centre ‘too welcoming’ 😢

I wonder how some people will explain their stance to their grandchildren when they are of an age to discuss such matters.

I agrée with every word BlueBelle no humanity, for a few murals which could be the first normal thing seen by these children and the vast majority are children, lost souls.

That'll fix it!

As soon as children hear there is no longer murals they won't get on the boats at all!

In fact, they will probably just stay in war torn countries and slowly starve if they can't come look at Mickey Mouse!

westendgirl

I wonder how some people will explain their stance to their grandchildren when they are of an age to discuss such matters.

I would and will if it comes up do what my parents did - talk to me about the state of life for many others who dont have what we have, and why, war, famine, lead to the consequences they do, and what asylum means. Tolerance of difference.

And tell them about the mural and how hatred and intolerance breeds more hatred and intolerance.

No I am not suggesting an open door policy but

..but I am suggesting this action was abhorrent.

It was indeed pointless cruelty

Not just to the children but to the staff who must find it am incredibly saddening and stressful place to work

Callistemon21

annodomini

Our late and much missed friend, Phoenix, had a good line in curses. Does anyone remember one?

I was only trying to be helpful!
😁

Yes, and I'm sure Phoenix's curse use was jokily. Which is fine.

I'm not so sure curses against politicians one tends to diagree with would fall into the same category. If such were applied from right to left of the political spectrum, I think it would be seen as hate speech, which many people condemn.

That is by the bye. I was simply pointing out it was not equivalent in the current case, should curses be applied.

On our local television last evening, there was a very pleasant lady who fosters unaccompanied small boat children. She explained how the children are and behave - very fearful, withdrawn and very quiet, when they arrive. I can only imagine what an unwelcome arrival at these centres must do to them.

Some people have no soul. I recognise what they are. I thought history was behind us.

By the time my grandchild is of an age to discuss such matters I will be long gone westendgirl. I’m not interested in courting popularity. I don’t feel sympathy for people of any age who could stay in any of the safe countries they have traveled through but choose to pay thousands to people smugglers to come to the UK.

Interesting that the people who are against the painting over of these murals completely ignore questions and remarks about the real age of some of these children.

We all saw and heard stories from British kids saying “why is there a bearded man dressed in our school uniform in our Year 9 maths group?” It’s like the emperor’s new clothes tale ….. you can’t just pretend it’s not happening. 😉

Indeed Primrose. Seems we are obliged to believe whatever they say. 7 or 17?

I assume that the lady who fosters some of these children knows their age, she certainly described them as young children, and her description of their behaviour appeared to confirm that.

I think it's a measure of desperation that anyone, child or adult, would get into a rubber dinghy and risk their life

I agree. What I don't understand is how a nine year old does that totally "unaccompanied". I thought people were paying to board the dinghies.

Perhaps I have misunderstood and the so-called people smugglers one hears about are really putting people on dinghies out of the goodness of their hearts and not for profit. One wonders then how it is all funded. Dinghies and life-jackets don't some cheap.

None of what I've said on this thread means I'm anti-refugee or anti-asylum-seeker. I just want to know more about why Jenrick has ordered the murals to be painted over, why the murals were put there and by whom and with what permissions, etc, etc, in the first place. If it turns out Jenrick has said what he has said and ordered what he has ordered because he is a complete nasty bastard, so be it. I'm just not convinced yet. Jenrick has not entered my consciousness before this story burst into [some of] the public frame. I don't think the nastiness of his decision is apparent just from the emotional reactions that I have seen on this thread.

I await a more in-depth analysis from non-click-bait journalism.

Primrose53

Interesting that the people who are against the painting over of these murals completely ignore questions and remarks about the real age of some of these children.

We all saw and heard stories from British kids saying “why is there a bearded man dressed in our school uniform in our Year 9 maths group?” It’s like the emperor’s new clothes tale ….. you can’t just pretend it’s not happening. 😉

We don't pretend it isn't happening, however we do realise that for every person who may be pretending to be a child there are dozens of real children who have endured the most terrible conditions to reach the UK . Murals which brighten and improve the space they will have to stay in are harmless, and providing a welcoming space for these children is such a small thing to do.

Done of us know that if the Daily Mail said it, it can be safely disregarded

Has the Home Office published the numbers of children by age?
This would be helpful. And what age do posters consider would be comforted by Mickey Mouse murals? 5-10 year olds?🤔

Unaccompanied children.
Apologies.

So the situation is that asylum seekers choose totally legally to seek asylum in the U.K. They are innocent of any illegal act, and yet this government chooses to detain them in a detention centre with the intention of transportation to a country at war with its neighbour and who shoots and kills asylum seekers for protesting that they are hungry.

Whilst these innocents are waiting, they are held in the most unpleasant circumstances that this government thinks it can get away with. Presumably this includes painting out murals.

Pathetic, History will never forgive or forget.

I don’t accept that anyone who comes here on a boat is desperate. They may (unless they are economic refugees) have been desperate when leaving the country they were fleeing. They ceased to be desperate on reaching the first safe country.

Ixion, why is their this fixation with age ?
Primrose we didn't all see or hear stories of bearded men/ladies. I didn't for one. Its like Suella Braverman saying she is doing what the British people want. Remember Question Time from Exeter ?
There wete two excellent documentaries recently on different channels , one called Evacuation and the otherInside the Iranian uprising which may have given posters an insight into the sheer desperation of people trying to get out.
I think that the British Public have more about them than the Government hopes and that Jenrick has shown us exactly what sort of people they are.
Also wondering if he isnt try to out cruel Cruella in view of murmurs that she is on the move list.Eye for the main chance ?

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t accept that anyone who comes here on a boat is desperate. They may (unless they are economic refugees) have been desperate when leaving the country they were fleeing. They ceased to be desperate on reaching the first safe country.

I used the term legal nor desperate.

They are legal asylum seekers. This government is treating them as criminals which they are not.

Whilst these innocents are waiting, they are held in the most unpleasant circumstances that this government thinks it can get away with. Presumably this includes painting out murals.

So stories of asylum seekers/refugees being housed in designated hotels are bunkum?

I'm genuinely asking.

I think the best thing to do is send you on a nice, in depth, experience tour of the conditions asylum seekers live in in these "safe countries" GSM

Documentary style please

Germanshepherdsmum

They refused to paint over the murals, yes, as I understand it. This is a detention centre, not a nursery.

Milk of human kindness in short supply in some areas. What harm is done by this? It isn't house deeds/British passports stuck on the wall. It is a bit of kindly applied paint. Good grief people

VioletSky

I think the best thing to do is send you on a nice, in depth, experience tour of the conditions asylum seekers live in in these "safe countries" GSM

Documentary style please

To add, how are your artistic skills?

I'm sure painting a few nice murals wherever these children were before they come here will put the people smugglers out of business overnight