BBC presenter allegations.

Not too hot for me either. Just exceedingly bored with the self-appointed thread police who I see are also operating on another similar thread. And the tumbrel has been trotted out again so the tricoteuses will be along any minute now.

Yes NanaDana , a lot of "it wasn't me gov" going on but I doubt the walking backwards or blaming others for your faults is only happening on here.

It's not really a question of victims on the thread. I actually trust MN/GN to manage discussions of this sort, they have certainly managed much more complex situations.

Not hot in the kitchen for me. I am coping.

Looks like it's getting a bit hot in the kitchen for some. Perhaps if they stopped cooking up such unpleasant fare from fictional ingredients, they wouldn't attract such critical attention. Also can't understand why, having presented the dish for general consumption, when a number of people have then drawn attention to its bad taste, they then either deny it's theirs or claim that it hasn't turned out as they intended. We also see the misunderstood victim card being played. Yes, there are most certainly numerous victims in this sad tale, but I don't see any on this thread. Just challenges to baseless scenarios and to groundless accusations. And despite recent developments, the condemnation continues. So very sad.

You might also remember Iam that if justice does find fault I would support the outcome of that.

Just to add I haven’t seen the phrase “Be Kind” on this thread so not sure why that’s been trotted out.

Iam64

I see the posters who claim to be kind, compassionate and understanding are continuing to be combative, belligerent and judgemental about posters they accuse of exactly that.

Who "claims to be kind"? Who accused others if a lack of kindness?

Kindness is good but justice essential. Objecting to the injustice we have seen on here over the last few days is something I would have expected you to support Iam. It seems the baser instincts get far more support.

You seem to still want to support the throwing of misguided negstive emotion at another human being, even when you have no proof of the behaviour used to demonise them. I am surprised.

LRavenscroft
Maybe your not capable of going for a walk, baking a cake, do some gardening and comment on a forum but I think you’ll find most of us can.

Who are these posters CLAIMING to be kind, compassionate and understanding?
I haven’t seen these claims.

I’ve seen some posters inventing scenarios and making baseless accusations and I’ve seen some posters challenging their posts. I haven’t seen any posters making the claims you say.

Yet another make it up as you go along post.

Doodledog

I am not going to comment further on this thread but will say this before I go. This is a discussion board. People will have different outlooks and opinions on the things we discuss- there could be no discussion otherwise. But those advocating ‘kindness’ and ‘understanding’ in such condescending and sanctimonious terms are the ones calling anyone who disagrees with them names, and who have consistently been offensive and rude throughout this thread. The people they have vilified, however, have remained dignified and (IMO quite remarkably) calm in the face of the abuse.

Perhaps the board police might consider the impact on the mental health of those they are attacking like this, and how their accusations might make others feel? Or does that not matter, so long as they get to shout us down?

Quite. The Forum police are never that pleasant usually. And, I'm not even going there with the "be kind" brigade found on other threads...😉

Iam64

I see the posters who claim to be kind, compassionate and understanding are continuing to be combative, belligerent and judgemental about posters they accuse of exactly that.

Yes, I don't know why people are getting so cross with this - we all have our own opinions, and neither Edwards nor the young man were named on here, before yesterday, when it was confirmed.

Personally, I do find things like OnlyFans, and sexual gratification exchange apps to be quite unpleasant, and I do think they can be damaging. Even more if (as the parents allege), it's being used to fund a harmful crack addiction.

But, if it's consenting adults, then it's not my circus or my clowns, to be honest.

Mental illness can cause other problems - and sometimes the drugs used to treat mental illness can cause other problems. We, rightly, don't know Edward's medical history.

It's a sad saga, especially for Edward's family, made worse by certain newspapers.🙁

I am not going to comment further on this thread but will say this before I go. This is a discussion board. People will have different outlooks and opinions on the things we discuss- there could be no discussion otherwise. But those advocating ‘kindness’ and ‘understanding’ in such condescending and sanctimonious terms are the ones calling anyone who disagrees with them names, and who have consistently been offensive and rude throughout this thread. The people they have vilified, however, have remained dignified and (IMO quite remarkably) calm in the face of the abuse.

Perhaps the board police might consider the impact on the mental health of those they are attacking like this, and how their accusations might make others feel? Or does that not matter, so long as they get to shout us down?

I said upthread that I hoped all involved would get any help that they needed, I haven’t changed my mind.

Yes be kind is one of the most unpleasant phrases on the internet in my experience, I am always wary when its trotted out.

I see the posters who claim to be kind, compassionate and understanding are continuing to be combative, belligerent and judgemental about posters they accuse of exactly that.

It speaks for itself:
"Madame Thérèse Defarge is a fictional character and the main antagonist of the 1859 novel A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens. She is a ringleader of the tricoteuses, a tireless worker for the French Revolution, memorably knitting beside the guillotine during executions. "

LRavenscroft

I find it extremely sad that several mature ladies have stooped so low as to endlessly comment on this thread involving someone they don't know and will never meet. By all means have a comment but to continue to rant on about it confirms that you have little or no life of your own to focus on. Go for a walk, do your garden, bake a cake but whatever you says is like chaff to the wind! The media and authorities will deal with whatever needs to be done. Concentrate on your own families and friends.

What a condescending load of piffle.

As Galaxy says, You bake if you want to!

Galaxy

The kindness and compassion brigade are consistently anything but.

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DaisyAnneReturns

DaisyAnneReturns

Ailidh

A man has a sex life that some view as seedy but two police forces have found not to be illegal.

A man has a recorded history of severe depression.

The two things exist at the same time but there has been no claim that the behaviour has been caused by the mental health.

A week of being hunted through the media, by the media, with bloodlust and a triumphant Gotcha! ("Huw Edwards OUTED by his wife") has brought on a severe MH episode for which he is now hospitalized.

Of course there are questions about the young person, about their health, about why their estranged parents did what they did. Principally questions about why The Sun, a "newspaper" not fit to lìne the budgie's cage, is allowed to exist.

In the meantime, I'm settling for compassion for the whole Edwards family, and especially for Huw Edwards himself.

Thank you for such a reasoned and reasonable post Ailidh.

Sorry to come back on this but I realised (woke up a bit more) that you said A man has a sex life that some view as seedy I certainly don't support that being in print. There is no evidence for that statement.

Maybe you didn't notice that The Sun changed what it said on the front page splash as time went by.

Fair point.

A man is alleged to have a sex life...etc

DaisyAnneReturns

Dickens

DaisyAnneReturns

Are you the forum watchdog? 🐶

You appear to be patrolling so many comments!

I could say the same about you. You "appear" to have posted a great deal more than I have on these threads.

Why are you, and others, so determined to destroy this man's life and livelihood on the basis of a front page splash on the Sun which changed as they couldn't stand it up, plus some unsubstantiated gossip on that well known teller if truth - I dont think - social media?

No, you couldn't say the same about me - because I'm not pouncing on other people's posts browbeating them over their comments.

And I really, really resent the accusation that I am determined to destroy this man's life. I have not made one single comment about him, nor have I said anything that could be construed as any kind of witch-hunt against him. I have - as is quite normal on social media when sensitive news items are headlining - deliberately avoided speculating on his identity. Further, like bikergran - I had no idea who this person was and made no effort to discover his identity, as mentioned in one of my posts.

You are keen to lecture those you perceive are making unsubstantiated claims but in fact you are doing just that yourself, and frankly, if this were anything other than a social media site, I would be reporting you for making unsubstantiated accusations against me. Just stop it.

You bake a cake if you want to I wont if it's all the same with you.

The kindness and compassion brigade are consistently anything but.

I find it extremely sad that several mature ladies have stooped so low as to endlessly comment on this thread involving someone they don't know and will never meet. By all means have a comment but to continue to rant on about it confirms that you have little or no life of your own to focus on. Go for a walk, do your garden, bake a cake but whatever you says is like chaff to the wind! The media and authorities will deal with whatever needs to be done. Concentrate on your own families and friends.

NanaDana hear hear.
Good to know that there are those with sense and understanding around this case.