BBC presenter allegations.

dragonfly46

I am shocked at the lack of compassion shown by some on here. So many judgements have been made on so little evidence.
I think we should all now let it be until further facts come out or better still let’s move on.

Couldn't agree more, Dragonfly, but some seem obsessed with continued speculation and condemnation. It probably says more about them evidentially than The Sun has ever said about Huw Edwards.

DaisyAnneReturns

Ailidh

A man has a sex life that some view as seedy but two police forces have found not to be illegal.

A man has a recorded history of severe depression.

The two things exist at the same time but there has been no claim that the behaviour has been caused by the mental health.

A week of being hunted through the media, by the media, with bloodlust and a triumphant Gotcha! ("Huw Edwards OUTED by his wife") has brought on a severe MH episode for which he is now hospitalized.

Of course there are questions about the young person, about their health, about why their estranged parents did what they did. Principally questions about why The Sun, a "newspaper" not fit to lìne the budgie's cage, is allowed to exist.

In the meantime, I'm settling for compassion for the whole Edwards family, and especially for Huw Edwards himself.

Thank you for such a reasoned and reasonable post Ailidh.

Sorry to come back on this but I realised (woke up a bit more) that you said A man has a sex life that some view as seedy I certainly don't support that being in print. There is no evidence for that statement.

Maybe you didn't notice that The Sun changed what it said on the front page splash as time went by.

Galaxy

What drives the behaviour of those who fail to understand that some people hold different views on issues such as only fans, on people being made to feel uncomfortable at work, etc. Is it their desire to control peoples opinion, I dont know it makes me so sad.

You're also making it up as you go along. Who fails to understand that some people hold different views on issues such as only fans and on people being made to feel uncomfortable at work? Onlyfans disgusts me on a personal level, but if consenting adults choose to go that way, that's their choice. Yes, it's open to under age-related abuse, but it's not alone there. Also, are you really suggesting that I support bullying, controlling behaviour? Total tosh. As for a desire to "control" people's opinion, you are confusing "control" with "disagree". You may be uncomfortable with what I and others are arguing here, but that doesn't invalidate our opinions. I take nothing back.

I am shocked at the lack of compassion shown by some on here. So many judgements have been made on so little evidence.
I think we should all now let it be until further facts come out or better still let’s move on.

What drives the behaviour of those who fail to understand that some people hold different views on issues such as only fans, on people being made to feel uncomfortable at work, etc. Is it their desire to control peoples opinion, I dont know it makes me so sad.

tickingbird

Doodledog
Many, many people have MH issues but do not commit crime, or pretend to be happily married family men whilst having sex with much younger men

You can’t help yourself can you? Are you going to stop fantasising and deal with facts. There’s been zero evidence any sex with younger men took place and the man that alleges Huw Edwards visited him states all he wanted was for him to make him a cup of tea. There’s an allegation that explicit photographs were bought from the first young man. That seems to be it unless you know something the rest of us don’t?

Correct, tickingbird, she simply can't help herself. Sadly, she isn't alone, and the heartless condemnation and groundless speculation continues elsewhere. It's like attacking a corpse. What drives such behaviour, and what exactly is the point of it all? Vicarious pleasure? God only knows, because I don't.

Ailidh

A man has a sex life that some view as seedy but two police forces have found not to be illegal.

A man has a recorded history of severe depression.

The two things exist at the same time but there has been no claim that the behaviour has been caused by the mental health.

A week of being hunted through the media, by the media, with bloodlust and a triumphant Gotcha! ("Huw Edwards OUTED by his wife") has brought on a severe MH episode for which he is now hospitalized.

Of course there are questions about the young person, about their health, about why their estranged parents did what they did. Principally questions about why The Sun, a "newspaper" not fit to lìne the budgie's cage, is allowed to exist.

In the meantime, I'm settling for compassion for the whole Edwards family, and especially for Huw Edwards himself.

Thank you for such a reasoned and reasonable post Ailidh.

tickingbird

Very well said Ailidh

Yes indeed.

Dickens

DaisyAnneReturns

Are you the forum watchdog? 🐶

You appear to be patrolling so many comments!

I could say the same about you. You "appear" to have posted a great deal more than I have on these threads.

Why are you, and others, so determined to destroy this man's life and livelihood on the basis of a front page splash on the Sun which changed as they couldn't stand it up, plus some unsubstantiated gossip on that well known teller if truth - I dont think - social media?

Very well said Ailidh

Doodledog
Many, many people have MH issues but do not commit crime, or pretend to be happily married family men whilst having sex with much younger men

You can’t help yourself can you? Are you going to stop fantasising and deal with facts. There’s been zero evidence any sex with younger men took place and the man that alleges Huw Edwards visited him states all he wanted was for him to make him a cup of tea. There’s an allegation that explicit photographs were bought from the first young man. That seems to be it unless you know something the rest of us don’t?

A man has a sex life that some view as seedy but two police forces have found not to be illegal.

A man has a recorded history of severe depression.

The two things exist at the same time but there has been no claim that the behaviour has been caused by the mental health.

A week of being hunted through the media, by the media, with bloodlust and a triumphant Gotcha! ("Huw Edwards OUTED by his wife") has brought on a severe MH episode for which he is now hospitalized.

Of course there are questions about the young person, about their health, about why their estranged parents did what they did. Principally questions about why The Sun, a "newspaper" not fit to lìne the budgie's cage, is allowed to exist.

In the meantime, I'm settling for compassion for the whole Edwards family, and especially for Huw Edwards himself.

It seems such a shock because as many have said, Huw was on our tv screens on so many important occasions, providing gravitas, wisdom, insight into so many milestones of life.

Makes you wonder what a strain it must have been, to come across like this with so many other issues whirling round.

Cannot visualise how he kept up this professional life whilst all this was going on, it must have been unimaginable for those who lived with him.

A Jekyll and Hyde existence maybe.

Man meets a younger man on a dating app. They don’t meet. Nothing illegal happens. We are obsessed with this, I know Huw E was a national icon, a talented broadcaster and all that - but is it worthy of such huge coverage and speculation? What about - Johnson’s phone; mortgage costs; NHS; strikes by doctors, teachers & railworkers; inflation; govt’s Illegal Immigration Bill; sewage in all our rivers & along the beaches; missing millions for useless PPE; MPs ditching their constituencies while drawing full pay & expenses, the climate crisis…….

Just quietly thinking this morning of all those who have been so badly damaged by this tragic situation, and will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future. And yes, I do mean ALL.. even the alleged perpetrator at the centre of it. May they all continue to be supported by family, friends and MH professionals as they struggle to rebuild something from the wreckage. As an aside... DaisyAnne, I'd just leave it. I understand your frustration and disappointment, but it's pointless, and isn't going to change anything.

DaisyAnneReturns
Which behaviour? People keep being suggestive about "this behaviour" in this way but nobody seems to be prepared to reference what "behaviour".

The behaviour that started this thread. If you don’t know what that is, I don’t understand why you are commenting on this thread at all.

DaisyAnneReturns

Are you the forum watchdog? 🐶

You appear to be patrolling so many comments!

Callistemon21

Maggiemaybe

MayBee70

I was going to say that one day something like this will result in suicide and then I remembered what happened to Caroline Flack.

This is the worry, MayBee. The constant dead weight for someone in the public eye waking up every morning feeling that the whole world is gossiping about and condemning them just proves too much for some people. Even those with robust mental health.

I would have thought this behaviour, which was exploitative if not illegal, was out of character but none of us knew the person behind the calm, steady face and voice we heard and saw on our screens. He brought professionalism and gravitas to many occasions but this may explain why he has looked strained, tired and, frankly, older lately.

Which behaviour? People keep being suggestive about "this behaviour" in this way but nobody seems to be prepared to reference what "behaviour".

Doodledog

DaisyAnneReturns

Doodledog, I don't know who you quoted, you didn't say, but a phrase in common use is "innocent until proven guilty". There has been next to no presumption of innocence on here, just some perverted delight in the suggestion of guilt based on no real evidence.

I quoted you at 22:33 this evening. Can you not remember your own posts?

Can you please supply proof of your suggestion that people on here are perverted? Or that anyone is taking 'delight' in any of this for that matter? You do seem to be living in your own head when it comes to this.

MayBee70The Caroline Flack situation was very sad, but all the more so because people keep using the poor woman's death to deflect allegations or consequences. Many, many people have MH issues and do not commit crime, or pretend to be happily married family men whilst having sex with much younger men. To use the threat of suicide to stop people investigating wrongdoing is a huge disservice to those people. If someone posted that they didn't trust someone (anyone, not HE in particular) because they have suffered from depression they would rightly be jumped on, but that is exactly what would happen if depressives were somehow immune from criticism or prosecution.

No, you put a phrase in quotes but didn't reference it Doodledog. I didn't recognise it so I asked.

Would you like me to reply to you in the same style you did to me, or shall we not do that?

Kate1949

No one is trivialising depression. As mentioned, I have it. I have masked it all my life. My brother didn't survive it and had ECT during his treatment, which didnt work. I do not dispute that Huw has depression. However, I question whether it has caused him to (allegedly) behave in the way suggested.

No, you may not have done, but some people definitely did.

I'm not sure that anyone was saying that depression led to any particular behavior. You don't explain what you mean by saying "behave in the way suggested". Who suggested? What did they suggest?

I, and several others, specifically said that we did not think depression would "make" people behave appropriately. The worst, I would guess, that could happen is if it moved to paranoia. People could hurt somebody else while trying to defend themselves from what they thought was happening.

Maggiemaybe

MayBee70

I was going to say that one day something like this will result in suicide and then I remembered what happened to Caroline Flack.

This is the worry, MayBee. The constant dead weight for someone in the public eye waking up every morning feeling that the whole world is gossiping about and condemning them just proves too much for some people. Even those with robust mental health.

I would have thought this behaviour, which was exploitative if not illegal, was out of character but none of us knew the person behind the calm, steady face and voice we heard and saw on our screens. He brought professionalism and gravitas to many occasions but this may explain why he has looked strained, tired and, frankly, older lately.

Yes DaisyAnne posted 'those who trivialise depression'.

DaisyAnneReturns

The only thing I am saying (not attributing) is that you, and others, seem totally unable to say "I do not know. There are no facts".

Here are the comments I've made today regarding this matter. Do these not suggest to you that I am concerned with FACTS... particularly my last comment?

And the truth will only be established when there has been a thorough and proper investigation.
Wed 12-Jul-23 18:14:34

Both the BBC and The Sun have some questions to answer. If both had behaved / responded differently, it might have been possible to avoid the intense speculation that has inevitably followed.
Wed 12-Jul-23 15:39:37

We discuss, debate and speculate on what we know, and I think most of us, again, are aware that allegations are just that... claims / accusations, and they are not necessarily true.
Wed 12-Jul-23 08:15:02

I'm content to wait for the facts.
Wed 12-Jul-23 08:24:23

Now I ask again, would you please stop making ill-found allegations against me - implying that I'm somehow averse to the truth and facts?

DaisyAnneReturns

Doodledog, I don't know who you quoted, you didn't say, but a phrase in common use is "innocent until proven guilty". There has been next to no presumption of innocence on here, just some perverted delight in the suggestion of guilt based on no real evidence.

I quoted you at 22:33 this evening. Can you not remember your own posts?

Can you please supply proof of your suggestion that people on here are perverted? Or that anyone is taking 'delight' in any of this for that matter? You do seem to be living in your own head when it comes to this.

MayBee70The Caroline Flack situation was very sad, but all the more so because people keep using the poor woman's death to deflect allegations or consequences. Many, many people have MH issues and do not commit crime, or pretend to be happily married family men whilst having sex with much younger men. To use the threat of suicide to stop people investigating wrongdoing is a huge disservice to those people. If someone posted that they didn't trust someone (anyone, not HE in particular) because they have suffered from depression they would rightly be jumped on, but that is exactly what would happen if depressives were somehow immune from criticism or prosecution.

Kate1949

No one is trivialising depression. As mentioned, I have it. I have masked it all my life. My brother didn't survive it and had ECT during his treatment, which didnt work. I do not dispute that Huw has depression. However, I question whether it has caused him to (allegedly) behave in the way suggested.

Has anybody suggested that?

Nevertheless, the situation he now finds himself in might very well have triggered a depressive episode.