The Refugee Ship

Casdon

Nicenanny3

11:23MayBee70

*The Rwanda scheme isn't in operation yet, when hopefully plane loads are being flown to Rwanda it will make some think twice of paying thousands of pounds to the criminal smuggling gangs to get here*

On 29 June 2023, the Court of Appeal ruled that the plan is unlawful. This reversed the High Court's decision on 19 December 2022 that the plan was lawful. It is likely this decision will be appealed, but in the meantime no asylum seekers can be sent to Rwanda.

I understood the Rwandan scheme was for asylum seekers refused asylum here. If they wont go home, whereas do they go.

Bat worthy

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“The lack of human feeling, and the callous attitude of many towards these poor people has made me feel quite sick.”

I think if I lived in a relatively small town or city, I would be concerned about young, healthy and probably bored young men wandering around the streets of my locality. I wonder where you live? I can imagine many posters who are upset about housing these asylum seekers on Barges etc. And yet other EU countries use such solutions and none of our Grans have ever said anything. We are living through hard times and the costs are enormous. I am more worried by our own homeless often with mental illness. I give to a charity in London helping these poor people and I am more concerned about them and families living in overcrowded homes who cannot get rehoused than I am about young men who destroy any form of identity because they know it takes so long to process them and any criminal record has gone. Added to that a high proportion of civil servants in the home office work from home and really need to be at the office to get advice about difficult cases. You may disagree but cheer up we will soon have a change of government and the wicked Tories will not be in power. Sir Keir is sure to make the system better.

I have a field of Salad Onions next to me, it’s harvest time and it’s been descended upon by about 300 pickers, they are like ants.
I’m told they are from Kurdistan on 6 month veg picking visas.

More needs to be done to tackle the illegal employers which may be part of the attraction. Its generally known which businesses are likely to be illegal employers. Staff costs are huge, yet the businesses are often empty. We are missing out on taxes.

We all grumble about not enough housing, difficulty in getting a GP apt, difficulty getting children into local schools and so on. As a country we cannot cope with the number of migrants turning up on our shores. IMO the majority are not refugees fleeing persecution but more likely economic migrants seeking free healthcare, housing etc. They need to be housed somewhere and apparently we're running out of hotel space to the detriment of our tourist industry. Where else can they be housed???

The lack of human feeling, and the callous attitude of many towards these poor people has made me feel quite sick.

The barge was being refitted down in Falmouth. At least it is getting put to use after all the expense.

U.K. paid French Border Force £62.2 million 2022/23
I would be interested to see how and where this has been/will be allocated.
I'm not being funny here, but when we queue up on French soil to board the ferry home a security border force person (with a dog) walks up and down asking, " 'Ave you any immigrés with you?"
DH says that's not very good value for the money Rishi gave Macron.

The Barge:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66099583

Do any of us know what the accommodation is like before condemning it?

Just because it is a barge does that mean it is worse than a hostel?
Is it worse than the double decker buses volunteers have set up in Dorset for local homeless people rather than them sleep on the streets in the freezing cold winters?

This accommodation is meant to be a temporary measure and the sooner the processing system is speeded up, the better.

The Refugee Council say that of the approx 50,000 refugees arriving every year around 25,000 would be eligible for asylum.
The ‘refugee ship’ holds 500 people. By a rough reckoning, that is one ship per week. How is this sustainable? Where are all these single men to go long-term, bearing in mind this figure is only half of those arriving in small boats ?

Anniel

The tenor of posts on this thread illustrates that ipople are really worried about the impact that so many people are arriving in the UK having destroyed all means of identification. I heard or read about the govt page of advice for asylum seekers and if I was considering where to go I would be interested in going to UK. So maybe you could read this. People will go where they feel most welcome. Who can blame them? The sad fact is that UK is a relatively small country abd our cities are already overcrowded. Scotland has room and parts of Wales but England seems like a magnet because it is so close to France!

www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Asylum seekers are dispersed throughout the UK Anniel, the UK government decides where they will be placed.

The tenor of posts on this thread illustrates that ipople are really worried about the impact that so many people are arriving in the UK having destroyed all means of identification. I heard or read about the govt page of advice for asylum seekers and if I was considering where to go I would be interested in going to UK. So maybe you could read this. People will go where they feel most welcome. Who can blame them? The sad fact is that UK is a relatively small country abd our cities are already overcrowded. Scotland has room and parts of Wales but England seems like a magnet because it is so close to France!

www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Free buses every hour? Dear God.

Free buses every hour, going to Weymouth, Portland and Dorchester. Weymouth beach is very popular, especially to teenagers and families who go there to relax and have fun.

The 500 single young male migrants can come and go as they please. I think Weymouth beach will be a big attraction

HannahLoisLuke

Germanshepherdsmum

Those in the former barracks won’t be unfortunately, but I would have thought those on the ship will be unless daily ferries are going to be provided for them (I hope not)..

It’s so easy for unknown people to just disappear if not detained and work/be enslaved in the black economy. If the authorities don’t know who they are how can they search for them?

I’ve heard that they will be signed on and off buses taking them to local areas,then counted back on. Let’s hope it works.

Like a WI coach trip? 😁

I do remember when one member got left behind.

scottie51

To all the people opposing this solution, " What do you suggest?" These people come here illegally at their own free will. Why don't they use the legal immigration routes?

sigh

I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a backlash against these desperate people who have fled from their homelands for their safety yes, I expect we will, another distraction from the mess being made of governance by the Tory administration. Murdoch and his mates will turn their eye on the boats and stir everyone up. Predictable, and very sad.

U.K. paid French Border Force £62.2 million 2022/23
After U.K./France leaders summit U.K. is committed to £476 million between 2023/24 and 2025/26

I would be interested to see how and where this has been/will be allocated.

utterbliss

Nicenanny3, Well said.

I just wish there was as much concern shown for the British

citizens who live in poor deprived areas, as there is shown for

illegal migrants by those GN posters on this thread.

Do you honestly think that if there were not the number of refugees arriving that all the homeless would have somewhere to live? Homelessness is caused by many factors, none of them the responsibility of a boatful of desperate people.

It would be an interesting exercise to see if those, on GN and elsewhere, who rage about 'illegals' are also the same group of people who think that benefits should only be paid for two children, and that this country has a huge number of feckless benefit claimants, surprising numbers of them know to the posters personally.

Germanshepherdsmum

Those in the former barracks won’t be unfortunately, but I would have thought those on the ship will be unless daily ferries are going to be provided for them (I hope not)..

It’s so easy for unknown people to just disappear if not detained and work/be enslaved in the black economy. If the authorities don’t know who they are how can they search for them?

I’ve heard that they will be signed on and off buses taking them to local areas,then counted back on. Let’s hope it works.

Mollie3

They do "work" cash in hand at car washes etc. There are videos on line of them leaving their hotel, cycling to work and back again. I would like free accommodation, free food, £40 a week spends, mobile phone, a bike etc.

When I emigrated decades ago we had to jump through hoops to get there, an "Alien" badge we had to wear, left in what seemed to be an barracks. We received no help whatsoever and to cap it all someone was murdered with a machete outside our window the first night we were there. I flew home, at my expense a year later.

I have no problem with refugees, but young men who can afford to pay the smugglers thousands of pounds to get here, throw any form of ID into the English Channel, and possibly run away as soon as they reach the shore. I do have a problem with that. Think of all the females they have left behind to struggle on their own.

Yes, and the problem with letting people out of hotels/barges without restrictions, is that many disappear off of the radar completely.

Then, we don't know who these people are, where they have actually come from, and what their back story is.

We really need to get a grip on this, and I don't think Rwanda and barges are the answer.

We need to try and work with the French to turn people around in the Channel.🙁

I don't know the details of this new British attempt to house refugees, but in Denmark passenger liners have been used since the 1980s whenever we have large numbers of refugees that we cannot house anywhere else.

The ships are in dock, linked to proper sewers with Red Cross staff on board,

It is not the best solution and thankfully due to the fact that we last year when the first Ukrainian refugees arrived we had a number of official buildings standing empty as smaller municipalities had been merged, so a number of town halls were redundant and the fact that new care homes had been build, but the old ones had not been demolished, we have been able to house the influx of refugees temporarily on land, until we were able to find them better accomodation.

While I have every sympathy for those fleeing war or persecution, most of these men arriving illegally on boats are looking for an easier/better life. I would like an easier/better life in Australia but they wouldn't let me in and if I turned up without the proper paperwork I'd be deported. If we let in all these economic migrants very soon our country will be like the countries they are leaving and then where will we go?!

Once they've left their country and arrived in Europe they are safe, why then are they heading for Britain in small boats and risking their lives. There needs to be faster processing along the way once they are in Europe.
The traffickers need to be caught and prosecuted.
Agree with Dickens there needs to be a uniform system in place.