The Refugee Ship

Nicenanny3

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

No need to be so rude. You are still wrong though

Considering that most of the migrants are from Albania. a safe European country, it’s pretty obvious that the vast majority are economic migrants.

In any case how many are we expected to take?
How many from the Middle East and Africa would like to live here? It could easily be millions couldn’t it?

It’s been stated so many times before but we just don’t have the infrastructure to cope with those who are already here, so how are we expected to cope with many more?

Like others have said though I am very concerned that the young men on the barge are allowed to go ashore unaccompanied.
No wonder the locals are extremely concerned.

Anyway at least the government is trying to come up with an alternative to the six million pounds per day it is currently costing to house these arrivals in hotels.

The only long term solution though is to stop the boats leaving France in the first place.
The people smugglers business racket needs to be broken.
We are paying the French heaven knows how many millions each year to stop the boats leaving their coast yet still they come.

Nicenanny3

Most are not genuine asylum seekers are they, they are economic migrants who've paid vast sums of money to criminal gangs to pass through various other countries to reach their destination of choice the UK. Our government agrees they are illegals, The Illegal Migration Bill.

73% of applications for asylum were granted. So most were asylum seekers www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

Yes Primrose I do. Probably because I also know that The Critic is a right-wing culture war magazine, offering self-described "critical voices" to the mainstream "consensus of virtue" that it claims rules the country. Aka tripe.

Casdon

Nicenanny3

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

You’re wrong. An asylum seeker is not an illegal immigrant.
Here’s the full fact explanation.
fullfact.org/immigration/can-refugees-enter-uk-illegally/

And you believe them?

thecritic.co.uk/how-neutral-is-full-fact/

I can’t remember how many times I’ve posted this, and I don’t suppose this time it will be any more successful with some posters, but FWIW

76% of asylum seekers were approved at the first stage of the application process in 2022.

Appeal figures for 2022 are not yet known, but they are consistent in earlier years, with around three-quarters of applicants refused asylum at initial decision lodging an appeal and almost one third of those appeals succeeding.

That’s a total of 82% genuine refugees, which means that most are not economic migrants.

Multiple sources, including the House of Commons Library.

Nicenanny3, most are genuine asylum seekers as 73% of initial decisions in the year March 2023 were granted, meaning they were awarded refugee status or humanitarian protection.

Nicenanny3

Most are not genuine asylum seekers are they, they are economic migrants who've paid vast sums of money to criminal gangs to pass through various other countries to reach their destination of choice the UK. Our government agrees they are illegals, The Illegal Migration Bill.

Just read the full fact Nicenanny.
What you say isn’t true. 73% of applications for asylum were approved last year.
Here’s some more factual information for you to absorb from the Refugee Council.
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/#:~:text=A%20total%20of%2017%2C872%20people,13%2C499%20people%20were%20granted%20protection.

Most are not genuine asylum seekers are they, they are economic migrants who've paid vast sums of money to criminal gangs to pass through various other countries to reach their destination of choice the UK. Our government agrees they are illegals, The Illegal Migration Bill.

Casdon

Riverwalk

I recently heard either on Radio 4 or Times Radio, some extraordinary statistics, it was something like in 2018 there were around 400 arrivals by small boats in the whole year - so it was an easily manageable number that could have been dealt with.

Unfortunately the Tory Party have spent the time since having leadership contests and non-stop internal squabbles - is it any wonder that around 98,000 have arrived since then!

How many of those have had their applications dealt with or are still languishing in the system, who knows.

It’s 92,000 according to the Commons Library. So, they have only processed 6000 in four years if the figures are all correct.

It’s 92,000 according to the Commons Library. So, they have only processed 6000 in four years if the figures are all correct.

So it will take about 14 or so years to clear the backlog!

I read - and I really can't remember where but it was a serious piece about the assessors. Apparently, there is a high staff turnover because of the pressures and stress of the job. Which means that it's not unusual for assessors to be 'new recruits' without experience - who then probably get stressed and decide to leave...

And, since Brexit, we no longer have access to th Eurodac fingerprint database so cannot determine which other European countries ASs have passed through, so can't ask those countries to take them back.

So much for Britain taking back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws” (B Johnson 2020).

I know the government could not anticipate the numbers arriving, but I do wonder how much pre-planning was focused on this aspect of border control, and how much funding it was given.

Thanks Casdon for giving the full facts. I’m afraid it won’t be accepted by the angry posters, no matter how fact checked.

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Nicenanny3

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

You’re wrong. An asylum seeker is not an illegal immigrant.
Here’s the full fact explanation.
fullfact.org/immigration/can-refugees-enter-uk-illegally/

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

Nicenanny3

450 illegals arrived today nearly one barge full.

They are not "illegals" whatever our opinion of the offshore accommodation barges is.

I've no idea what the absconding rate is but would imagine that most want to go through the system to regularise their status and make a future for themselves, particularly those from Syria & Afghanistan who are usually successful in their asylum application.

However if I were to be stuck in limbo for years as many are, I'd be tempted to do a runner.

Riverwalk

I recently heard either on Radio 4 or Times Radio, some extraordinary statistics, it was something like in 2018 there were around 400 arrivals by small boats in the whole year - so it was an easily manageable number that could have been dealt with.

Unfortunately the Tory Party have spent the time since having leadership contests and non-stop internal squabbles - is it any wonder that around 98,000 have arrived since then!

How many of those have had their applications dealt with or are still languishing in the system, who knows.

It’s 92,000 according to the Commons Library. So, they have only processed 6000 in four years if the figures are all correct.

Indeed Urmston but my point was the boat numbers were low in 2018 and could have been dealt with effectively.

Nicenanny3

450 illegals arrived today nearly one barge full.

Yes, nearly a barge full arrived today.

Buses are to be provided to transport them so they can play football, use computers, go shopping etc.

I imagine quite a few will have a kick around then disappear, never to be seen again!

That little B word has had a massive impact.

Back in the day though Riverwalk small boats weren’t the journey of choice so much. It was running and jumping onto container lorries at Sangatte camp in the dead of night.

Urmstongran

Docked at one of the south coasts top holiday spots just as the schools break up for their 6 week break too. What could possibly go wrong?

Anything and everything.

We have family within a couple of miles,” of Weymouth they will all be visiting the relatives this year as opposed to us visiting them.

I recently heard either on Radio 4 or Times Radio, some extraordinary statistics, it was something like in 2018 there were around 400 arrivals by small boats in the whole year - so it was an easily manageable number that could have been dealt with.

Unfortunately the Tory Party have spent the time since having leadership contests and non-stop internal squabbles - is it any wonder that around 98,000 have arrived since then!

How many of those have had their applications dealt with or are still languishing in the system, who knows.

Docked at one of the south coasts top holiday spots just as the schools break up for their 6 week break too. What could possibly go wrong?

Having a resident NHS facility, with instant access to medics, is more than most of us have now:

news.sky.com/story/who-will-be-living-on-the-bibby-stockholm-and-whats-it-like-on-board-the-barge-12922759

This barge represents everything that is wrong with the Tory immigration policy.

They have lost control and are simply throwing money at the issue making no sense whatsoever.